keeping both eyes shut!

Stacey5089

Stacey5089

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Hi i have recently got 2 ambilobe panthers there around 3 months old and today ive noticed the female is just wandering around with her eyes shut:( and i saw her rubbing one of her eyes on a branch i have seen her open them so its not that she cant ive just sprayed her the humidity was at 35% before i sprayed could it just be it was to dry in there?? My female veiled rubs her eye when humidity is low but she doesn't keep her eyes shut this is wats worrying me:(
 
What lighting do you have above their cages? It sounds like you may have too much UVB. If you are using a brand new reptisun 5.0 it may be too much for a 3 month old. I usually use an older bulb for babies.
 
It is a new uvb 5.0 strip light so could this be the problem? The male is fine and they both have the same strip light
 
And also my males always right out at the front of his enclosure and she always kind of hides at the back in her plants so she is closer to her strip light than he is
 
Make sure there are plenty of shade spots so she can get out of the light. It might help if you can post a pic of the enclosure
 
Hi, could you please fill this out. https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/

Things that typically cause eyes shut with a baby.

1. Dehydration (improper humidity and or not offering enough surfaces with water from mistings.)
2. Lighting. Although i have never had a problem using new uvb tubes over babies. If others have had an issue with this it is worth a shot. Some bulbs do come from the factory defective.
3. Illlness

Best thing to do is if you have these two together is to separate them. For now set her up in a (rehab) set up. A 20 gallon sterilite tote is perfect right now. Line the bottom with paper towel and place a live plant like a pathos in the tote with some sticks or climbing limbs/vines. Mist above the chameleon allowing the mist to fall upon (not spraying directly) the animal and mist the plant thoroughly. Be sure not to drench the paper towels but be sure they are damp. Let these dry out and repeat 4 times a day. I would personally set up a mid 80's basking spot at the moment.
 
They are in a temporary enclose it is a 3ft by 2ft vivarium with a board of mdf down the middle seperating the chameleons, it was home to my ball pyphon that has been moved into a small fish tank, this is only for a few weeks until all my new enclosures have finished curing and then my yemen chameleons will be moving into them and the panthers will go in there glass terrariums 45x45x45 until they are big enough to go in the new enclosures, i didn't expect to get them until end of january so its been abit crazy trying to make this work but I'll take a few photos now and post them:)
 
ataraxia said:
Hi, could you please fill this out. https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/

Things that typically cause eyes shut with a baby.

1. Dehydration (improper humidity and or not offering enough surfaces with water from mistings.)
2. Lighting. Although i have never had a problem using new uvb tubes over babies. If others have had an issue with this it is worth a shot. Some bulbs do come from the factory defective.
3. Illlness

Best thing to do is if you have these two together is to separate them. For now set her up in a (rehab) set up. A 20 gallon sterilite tote is perfect right now. Line the bottom with paper towel and place a live plant like a pathos in the tote with some sticks or climbing limbs/vines. Mist above the chameleon allowing the mist to fall upon (not spraying directly) the animal and mist the plant thoroughly. Be sure not to drench the paper towels but be sure they are damp. Let these dry out and repeat 4 times a day. I would personally set up a mid 80's basking spot at the moment.
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I don't have them together and there will be real plants in there proper enclosure when its finished this is all i have to work with right now and her basking spot is around 83
 
Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - ambilobe panther,female,3 months. Had her for around a week.
Handling - ive took her out twice since ive had her.
Feeding -about 10-15 pin head crickets and small 4th size aday i just dust the crickets and put them in there enclosures in the morning and let them catch them throughout the day, i make up cubes for the crickets to eat these contain curly kale, rocket, carrot, apple, butternut squash, strawberry, little bit of orange, blueberry and blackberry ect.
Supplements - i use prorep plain calcium every feeding and will be using vetark calci dust with d3 twice a month and nutribol once or twice a month.
Watering - i use a spray bottle with warm water about 3 times aday and yes i see her drinking
Description - brown\black poop looks fine not runny holds its form and there's more brown than white. never been tested for parasites as far as i know.
Cage Info:
Cage Type -wooden vivarium 3ftx2ftx2ft split in half for 2 chameleons.
Lighting - 5.0 uvb strip light brand unknown 12 hours on 12 hours off 9 till 9.
Temperature - basking spot is around 83-84 floor level is 78 im not sure what it drops to at night ive never checked. Im measuring this using a digital thermometer.
Humidity - i spray around 3 times aday humidity goes right up when i spray but generally sits around 65% but can drop as low as 30 in between sprays, i measure this with a hydrometer.
Plants - no live plants for now just plastic ones and some bamboo.
Placement - the enclosure is temporarily next to my bed its not very high up a little under half way, i know its not ideal but it is only temporary.
Location - im in the uk in Northamptonshire.

Current Problem - she is walking around with her eyes closed and rubbing her eyes on the bamboo.
 
Honestly, I dont mean to sound harsh but if you are going to keep her in the set up till the other enclosures are done. Dont expect her status to change. I know it is temporary but nothing is good in that situation except she has a spot to perch. Uvb looks to far away, only ventilation is in the back, she doesnt have a basking bulb, she only has lumens from a uvb bulb. Its dark in the enclosure. Id be sleeping too :)

I dont know how you are going to provide a proper basking spot/temp gradient with the current set up. The top has to be open for heat to escape.
 
ataraxia said:
Honestly, I dont mean to sound harsh but if you are going to keep her in the set up till the other enclosures are done. Dont expect her status to change. I know it is temporary but nothing is good in that situation except she has a spot to perch. Uvb looks to far away, only ventilation is in the back, she doesnt have a basking bulb, she only has lumens from a uvb bulb. Its dark in the enclosure. Id be sleeping too :)

I dont know how you are going to provide a proper basking spot/temp gradient with the current set up. The top has to be open for heat to escape.
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Well this is all i have for now if i put a basking bulb in hers the temperature reaches 90 so she has no basking bulb i know this enclosure is not ideal it wont be for much longer now.
 
At the risk of getting my knuckles rapped by Ataraxia :) I'm going to go out on a limb and say that although I agree your current set up is far from ideal, if the temps inside the enclosure are hitting the low 80's without the basking lamp, I think it should be OK without one for a bit. Not ideal, but...

I do agree it is too dark in there. You need to add some more light somehow. What about a CFL bulb? Not much heat output from them, but would give her some extra light.

Your humidity is definitely not staying high enough and could very well be the reason she is having trouble with her eyes. You should consider adding a cool mist or ultrasonic humidifier. There are posts on this forum from people who have modified larger humidifiers by basically adding tubing running from the humidifier into the enclosure (try doing a search). I found some small, personal size humidifiers that I just sit on the floor of the enclosures. Put them on a timer, and you can ensure your humidity stays more stable.

As for airflow, the current set-up is definitely not ideal. Looks like they have sliding glass doors on the front. Any way you could rig up a small strip of screen in a frame and set it in the doors to allow for better airflow?

Good luck. I hope you get them into their permanent homes soon and that your little girl comes around.
 
CLP said:
At the risk of getting my knuckles rapped by Ataraxia :) I'm going to go out on a limb and say that although I agree your current set up is far from ideal, if the temps inside the enclosure are hitting the low 80's without the basking lamp, I think it should be OK without one for a bit. Not ideal, but...

I do agree it is too dark in there. You need to add some more light somehow. What about a CFL bulb? Not much heat output from them, but would give her some extra light.

Your humidity is definitely not staying high enough and could very well be the reason she is having trouble with her eyes. You should consider adding a cool mist or ultrasonic humidifier. There are posts on this forum from people who have modified larger humidifiers by basically adding tubing running from the humidifier into the enclosure (try doing a search). I found some small, personal size humidifiers that I just sit on the floor of the enclosures. Put them on a timer, and you can ensure your humidity stays more stable.

As for airflow, the current set-up is definitely not ideal. Looks like they have sliding glass doors on the front. Any way you could rig up a small strip of screen in a frame and set it in the doors to allow for better airflow?

Good luck. I hope you get them into their permanent homes soon and that your little girl comes around.
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Thankyou:) i will brighten it up abit in there as soon as i get home, humidity is a huge problem for me because i use no substrate i was using wet kitchen roll but this wasent working any ideas?? There will be a dripper system and a fogger in there new enclosure i suppose i could try and make the air flow slightly better in there I'll see what i can do:)
 
Do you have the fogger now, or can you get one and maybe try to get it adding humidity to their temporary homes?

How is she doing today?
 
Add some live plants in there. It will help with the humidity. And yes, it is way too dark in the enclosure.
 
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