Just introducing myself!

making your own cages is the best!! i loved it after i finish my first one and im currently working on a rock wall backround for the next one:D
 
fluxlizard said:
I apologize for my previous post- my intent is just to save you some grief.
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Yeah I understand. I'm glad you told me what w.c. meant, I don't want a wild caught animal. I searched that site and couldn't figure out what it meant. I am a ding dong. Oh well. I plan to gather a little more research and maybe order a different chameleon tomorrow? I still plan to get one. Help?
 
check the sponsors of this forum- you can find veileds for around $50 usually.
You aren't a ding dong- just learning new things.
Senegals are usually wild caught because they are collected so cheaply at their country of origin. Wholesalers sell them for less than $10 each very often, so they are buying them even cheaper than that. Means most breeders would loose money trying to work with them, so only hobby breeders breed them and you can probably count the number of authentic captive bred clutches of senegals that have been hatched out on one hand in the past 10 years I'll bet.
Veileds are very commonly captive-bred and much easier to care for than wild caught senegals and are about the same price as the senegals you were going to order on that website (their veileds are rather pricey about 2x the going rate but honestly, that website doesn't strike me as the site of breeders, just dealers, so that is why).
 
Veilds can be alot more aggressive and cost more to feed. Karma is full grown and eats 3-4 medium sized crickets a day. I am breeding him once I get a female over a year, so I'll cut you a deal OP. If you can prove to me you have everything perfectly set up and how much you'll love and care for a baby I might give you a free baby, if you pay shipping.
 
Also, Senegals are fine for beginners, heck I'm a 14 y/o girl and my first cham was a Senegal. People just say they're hard to take care of because so few have them and even know what a Senegal is.
 
fluxlizard said:
check the sponsors of this forum- you can find veileds for around $50 usually.
You aren't a ding dong- just learning new things.
Senegals are usually wild caught because they are collected so cheaply at their country of origin. Wholesalers sell them for less than $10 each very often, so they are buying them even cheaper than that. Means most breeders would loose money trying to work with them, so only hobby breeders breed them and you can probably count the number of authentic captive bred clutches of senegals that have been hatched out on one hand in the past 10 years I'll bet.
Veileds are very commonly captive-bred and much easier to care for than wild caught senegals and are about the same price as the senegals you were going to order on that website (their veileds are rather pricey about 2x the going rate but honestly, that website doesn't strike me as the site of breeders, just dealers, so that is why).
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Awesome! I am liking the looks of veiled. I think the Senegal are very pretty, but I'm really glad you told me the w.c. means wild caught, I really really do not want that. This website was kind of difficult to navigate and I truthfully have never bought a pet online. They have veiled chameleon babies at petsmart, but from the bits of research I've done thus far, they probably are not in optimal conditions, they are in tiny glass cages with a fake plant or two, and their feeder crickets just eat marketed cricket powder, and they have water bowls instead of mist.

Anyway, I did cancel my order for the Senegal, and they were pretty rude so I definitely advise anyone curious to forget about www.reptilecity.com. I am looking at some sites that specialize in chameleon breeding and have less "lazy" care sheets! I already have a nice sized screen terrarium and an appropriate UBV bulb, tomorrow I was going to go get some live plants and organic potting soil, the cage is going to be half the fun because I love gardening, too!

Again thanks for your help, that's what I came here for.
 
KarmaChameleon1337 said:
Also, Senegals are fine for beginners, heck I'm a 14 y/o girl and my first cham was a Senegal. People just say they're hard to take care of because so few have them and even know what a Senegal is.
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Awesome! I think the Senegals are so pretty, but I don't want a wild caught one, I would definitely be interested if you were to breed them in captivity though! I will do my best to show ya'll I'm a good reptile mama. Lol. Also I'm not worried about your age, lol! I got my ball python when I was 12, and she was doing amazingly and thriving under my care, until my uncle killed her when I was 16 :( :( :( It just means that by the time you are my age you will be a super expert! Heheh
 
Also, Senegals are fine for beginners, heck I'm a 14 y/o girl and my first cham was a Senegal. People just say they're hard to take care of because so few have them and even know what a Senegal is.
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I've had them and I've bred a couple dozen species of chameleon over 20 years time and several dozen species of other lizards going back farther than that and I think wild caught senegals are a very poor choice for a beginner. I've also been to visit importers and wholesalers of chameleons and seen the sengals in poor shape every time. You have experience with 1 senegal. No offense but you got really lucky- I mean lucky in the lizard you ended up with, not with your excellent care which you deserve full credit for. Most senegals come in sick, dehydrated, and full of parasites. Very few live very long.
 
KarmaChameleon1337 said:
Just be ready if you get a Veiled, they eat alot more, get alot bigger, and are generally alot more aggressive.
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The aggression isn't a big deal to me, because I am under the impression that Chams are mostly a display animal, not something you would take out an play with a lot. And he will be housed all by himself. And as for food, I am going to raise my own so I can feed them properly! Pet store crickets just eat powder. But seriously though, if you are able to successfully breed a senegal in captivity, I would love one! The only reason I am choosing against them for now, is because I think Fluxlizard is right, a wild caught Chameleon, despite the species, is probably not great for a beginner. In my experience with reptiles and amphibians, seems that when they are caught from the wild and put into a cage, they have high stress levels and are not great eaters =/
 
The people I bought him from actually had no UVB on him for months, no sign of MBD anymore though, and guess who got their right to own lizards there taken away! Guess guess!
 
Karma is a cb luckily, but if you want to see the reason I had them stop with reptiles.. check out my youtube karmapocolypse, only view the two newest vids if strong stomach, very graphic.
 
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