Jacksons

[camimom]

i hope i get to that point some day without going broke! i love chams soo much, even though i only have one but someday, i want a whole room full! a pair of each kind

Ditto! and I work a fulltime job, and have the BF's paycheck,, so i can afford it....
and i love them too, which is why im getting soo many.

 

[amanda509]

Ditto! and I work a fulltime job, and have the BF's paycheck,, so i can afford it....
and i love them too, which is why im getting soo many.

hehe, i live with my parents and have 2 under the table office jobs, i can barely afford car insurance XD but hopefully after business school, that will change ill be breeding crix here soon, thats the only thing i pay money for on a regular basis, and its like $10 a week..

**i meant a month, not week..sheesh, not that expensive

 

[camimom]

I pay 100 bucks every month and a half for 2000. but im going to start breeding them and ff, and whatever else i can soon.
i have alot of bugs righ tnow
crickets
hornworm
silkworms
wax worms
pheonix worms
super worms

 

[c2c]

Im torn. 1 male will be easier but I like the idea of breeding them cause theres no incubation

 

[camimom]

Im torn. 1 male will be easier but I like the idea of breeding them cause theres no incubation

do whats best for you. two isnt much harder than one. just takes more space, adn you go through bugs a bit faster.

 

[c2c]

Oh btw the pair are not related

 

[Brad]

Do you have any experience with chameleons?

 

[c2c]

Do you have any experience with chameleons?

No that's why imstarting with jacksons heard they were the easiest. I've kept reptiles before though

 

[DekuScrub]

Im torn. 1 male will be easier but I like the idea of breeding them cause theres no incubation

yeah, as was mentioned earlier they are a bit less forgiving than veileds or panthers. so lots of research and being prepared are critical. also having the lot of us to answer misc. questions, or to clarify anything you may have read is a great start.

i tried breeding jacksons once (twice including right now) and for whatever reason she retained her first batch. it was pretty heart wrenching because she had an awesome personality.

im not sure if the problem was that her first clutch was so large, or if i was providing tooo much of a nutritional overload. she ended up dying from dystocia. she was even seemingly in good condition when she died. no apparent stress...she just never dropped her batch. i cut her open and the young were fully developed. very large in fact, probably about the size of a 2 month old veiled. i was hoping they had a chance like the eggs i cut out of a female veiled.

kind of turned me off to the live bearers, i got rid of my werneri shortly after her death out of self doubt.

with that said. mine was an isolated incident. but even under prime conditions i had complications.

regardless im over it and trying again, actually recently got a pair of WC jacksoni x. my first chams in years (hence why im here on the forums)

if your devoted, go for it. its a good time. just be aware the initial investment is going to be doubled with 2 being that you cant house them together.

SPEAKING of which guys. ive been meaning to ask what sort of behaviors should i be looking for post labor? gravid coloration and restlessness? or do they just pop out? i havent been able to find detailed information on the matter on these here interwebs.

 

[amanda509]

No that's why imstarting with jacksons heard they were the easiest. I've kept reptiles before though

no chameleon is considered "easy". jackson's may be less demanding than other species, but remember, they are less forgiving. my first chameleon was a jackson's, and i did 2 months of research before i even started to gather things up for him. and so far, so good. but not every instance is like this, for some unknown reason you could get one and it could get mouth rot, or a respiratory infection, or go on a hunger strike, you have to be prepared for these things. and as a tip, id advise on not breeding for a couple months, because pregnant female jackson's need extensive care because the babies take ALOT of out them..and babies themselves are 10x less forgiving then the adults -.- even some of the most experienced keepers can find baby jackson's a challenge...do as much research as you can and dont hold back from asking questions if you have any!

 

[PappaRONzi]

I am in the process of getting a male Jackson in the next few months. I have been doing research and slowly putting my enclosure together, just started doing test runs on the dripper and the heating, everything is good so far. I have owned reptiles for years and I have always wanted a true chameleon. After looking at different breeds I choose a male Jackson, after reading this I hope I made the best decision?

 

[DekuScrub]

yeah, as was mentioned earlier they are a bit less forgiving than veileds or panthers. so lots of research and being prepared are critical. also having the lot of us to answer misc. questions, or to clarify anything you may have read is a great start.

i tried breeding jacksons once (twice including right now) and for whatever reason she retained her first batch. it was pretty heart wrenching because she had an awesome personality.

im not sure if the problem was that her first clutch was so large, or if i was providing tooo much of a nutritional overload. she ended up dying from dystocia. she was even seemingly in good condition when she died. no apparent stress...she just never dropped her batch. i cut her open and the young were fully developed. very large in fact, probably about the size of a 2 month old veiled. i was hoping they had a chance like the eggs i cut out of a female veiled.

kind of turned me off to the live bearers, i got rid of my werneri shortly after her death out of self doubt.

with that said. mine was an isolated incident. but even under prime conditions i had complications.

regardless im over it and trying again, actually recently got a pair of WC jacksoni x. my first chams in years (hence why im here on the forums)

if your devoted, go for it. its a good time. just be aware the initial investment is going to be doubled with 2 being that you cant house them together.

SPEAKING of which guys. ive been meaning to ask what sort of behaviors should i be looking for post labor? gravid coloration and restlessness? or do they just pop out? i havent been able to find detailed information on the matter on these here interwebs.

 

[c2c]

no chameleon is considered "easy". jackson's may be less demanding than other species, but remember, they are less forgiving. my first chameleon was a jackson's, and i did 2 months of research before i even started to gather things up for him. and so far, so good. but not every instance is like this, for some unknown reason you could get one and it could get mouth rot, or a respiratory infection, or go on a hunger strike, you have to be prepared for these things. and as a tip, id advise on not breeding for a couple months, because pregnant female jackson's need extensive care because the babies take ALOT of out them..and babies themselves are 10x less forgiving then the adults -.- even some of the most experienced keepers can find baby jackson's a challenge...do as much research as you can and dont hold back from asking questions if you have any!

so jacksons arent good for beginners?...whats a good one to start with then

 

[amanda509]

I am in the process of getting a male Jackson in the next few months. I have been doing research and slowly putting my enclosure together, just started doing test runs on the dripper and the heating, everything is good so far. I have owned reptiles for years and I have always wanted a true chameleon. After looking at different breeds I choose a male Jackson, after reading this I hope I made the best decision?

as long as everything is set up and running perfectly before he comes, and you have the feeders and everything sorted out, you shouldnt have a problem research and preparedness is key with any animal, especially the ones that dont tolerate mistakes well.

so jacksons arent good for beginners?...whats a good one to start with then

im not trying to steer you away form jackson's, im just saying you need to get everything set up and running, and have everything ready and perfect before you get them..and if you dont have experience with chameleons, forget about breeding until you get the hang of things. all chameleons can be kept successfully if you are prepared and educated before you get them.

 

[c2c]

is it ok if the male and female see each othe but cannot reach each other

 

[camimom]

is it ok if the male and female see each othe but cannot reach each other

yes and no.
SOmeitmes it can cause stress with each other for them to see the other.
if there is no stress, its ok, but if there is you need a divider.
most will say just put a divider up, and for no,w you should, until youve learned your chameleons behaviors and personality.

 

[sdheli420]

yes and no.
SOmeitmes it can cause stress with each other for them to see the other.
if there is no stress, its ok, but if there is you need a divider.
most will say just put a divider up, and for no,w you should, until youve learned your chameleons behaviors and personality.

yes!. mine where always divided up, and placed so they could not see eachother in the opposing cages (just keep them facing away from eachother)..from my exp from jackos is they like cooler temps, good humidity, low heat basking areas, and lots of foliage (ofcourse also less supplemeting than like panthers or veileds)....the main thing that worked for me was to stay away from excess heat, especially with the newborns.. good luck!!

 

[camimom]

yes!. mine where always divided up, and placed so they could not see eachother in the opposing cages (just keep them facing away from eachother)..from my exp from jackos is they like cooler temps, good humidity, low heat basking areas, and lots of foliage (ofcourse also less supplemeting than like panthers or veileds)....the main thing that worked for me was to stay away from excess heat, especially with the newborns.. good luck!!

which is why i said yes and no. I even had your set up in my head when responding.

your guys do great all together.. some dont.. like my female veiled would probably be dead now if she had constant visuals of my male.. she hates him.. with a a passion...

he on the other hand... stares at her then looks at me, and is like, mom, what is she doing.. why is she gaping at me like that? i didnt do anything..

 

[c2c]

man i really want 2 but i would need another enclosure or would need to divide it

is a 12inx24inx48in enclosure big enough for one?
and should i use plywood or a really fine mesh?
mesh would be easier imo

 

[sdheli420]

which is why i said yes and no. I even had your set up in my head when responding.

your guys do great all together.. some dont.. like my female veiled would probably be dead now if she had constant visuals of my male.. she hates him.. with a a passion...

he on the other hand... stares at her then looks at me, and is like, mom, what is she doing.. why is she gaping at me like that? i didnt do anything..

totally, the yes and no thing is real..like yes i did have a huge outdoor screen patio that was turned into a jackson domain (2 large males, 6 females) and lots and lots of basking areas, and plenty of foliage so they had visual barries ( i did still witness 2 jousts, but after that the males stayed on their prospective sides of the 30 foot outdoor cham range)..i also did 1 male to 2 females in large screened cages, but eventually separated all of them just for the fact that once the females mate, or are no longer "in the mood" they begin swaying back n forth shaking the trees and turning black with neon green upside down triangles to show their dis comfort seeing the male (even if he is un aggressive)..so for the most part, my males and females ended up only beeing caged together for 3 months out of every year...those females really do shake the trees too, i had a small free range ficus fall over from a violent shake once, lol

p.s. this was all back in 1996, ive learned alot since then!!!