is cage to small for my Jackson
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HerbsForMyChameleon
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yes. you need to take out the stuff on the bottom. just use paper towel. and it needs more leaves and branches. i wouldn't be happy if i were him. just try to give it the most branches to crawl on and the most leaves to roam through and hide behind
Solid Snake
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In my opinion, yes.
However, that is the least of the issues I see with your husbandry
He needs MUCH more to climb around on! More climby things will allow him to thermo-regulate properly.
Also, the substrate on the bottom will turn out to be more trouble than its worth, and can be ingested, which can lead to impaction.
I would mainly be concerned with adding some furniture to the cage at this point
Then get him into a larger enclosure.
However, that is the least of the issues I see with your husbandry
He needs MUCH more to climb around on! More climby things will allow him to thermo-regulate properly.
Also, the substrate on the bottom will turn out to be more trouble than its worth, and can be ingested, which can lead to impaction.
I would mainly be concerned with adding some furniture to the cage at this point
Then get him into a larger enclosure.
ChamomilleCame
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Can you fill this out please? https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/ just in case
graham cracker
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I found this link on youtube by one of the members here. His enclosure is pretty over the top, but I'm sure you can take most things outta it. You can probably also get in contact with him as well to get more information... He'll give you his forum name at the end of the video. Hope this helps!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKTbUaOQ0aA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKTbUaOQ0aA&feature=related
Elizadolots
New Member
I think it depends on a lot of things. Not all Jacksons are the same.
Is it a female?
It might be big enough...but as has been said, there are some upgrades that would make it a much better enclosure. If you could get a really big, full pothos plant, hang it so the pot is about the middle of the cage and then pin the vines up the sides toward the top, that would go a long way toward solving multiple issues. I also agree with taking out that substrate. The live plant will help you with humidity.
Is it a female?
It might be big enough...but as has been said, there are some upgrades that would make it a much better enclosure. If you could get a really big, full pothos plant, hang it so the pot is about the middle of the cage and then pin the vines up the sides toward the top, that would go a long way toward solving multiple issues. I also agree with taking out that substrate. The live plant will help you with humidity.
djfishygillz
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that cage is to small and there are not enough plants and climbing structures, also the how to ask for help would work wonders for you
djfishygillz
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Also you do not need a fogger, just misting and a dripper is enough.
In my opinion foggers stress the chameleons and can freeze them if left on during the cold or over night.
gary90
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Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? Jackson Chameleon, Sub Adult, 3days
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Just got him been letting him settle in
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? Crickets as much as he can handle then I remove the rest, Once a day
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? With out D3 Supplement Calcium With every feeding, Repti Vitamin twice a week
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I use a dripper, Mist 3-4 times aday
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? On pooped once since 2days ago
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. No
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? Screen 16x16x20 Possibly
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? 40watt bulb 9am-9pm
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Room temp is 75 degrees
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? I’m always misting and he constantly has water so average
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? No plants
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? Near the window and I live in the boondocks of pa, Cage is on the tope of the night stand table
Location - Where are you geographically located? PA boondocks with corn field in back yard
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Just got him been letting him settle in
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? Crickets as much as he can handle then I remove the rest, Once a day
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? With out D3 Supplement Calcium With every feeding, Repti Vitamin twice a week
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I use a dripper, Mist 3-4 times aday
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? On pooped once since 2days ago
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. No
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? Screen 16x16x20 Possibly
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? 40watt bulb 9am-9pm
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Room temp is 75 degrees
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? I’m always misting and he constantly has water so average
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? No plants
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? Near the window and I live in the boondocks of pa, Cage is on the tope of the night stand table
Location - Where are you geographically located? PA boondocks with corn field in back yard
djfishygillz
Avid Member
in the first picture the male is to big for the cage
chameleons like any animal need a lot of space to climb and exercise to develop their neurons and muscles
gary90
New Member
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? Jackson Chameleon, Sub Adult, 3days
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Just got him been letting him settle in
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? Crickets as much as he can handle then I remove the rest, Once a day
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? With out D3 Supplement Calcium With every feeding, Repti Vitamin twice a week
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I use a dripper, Mist 3-4 times aday
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? On pooped once since 2days ago
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. No
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? Screen 16x16x20 Possibly
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? 40watt bulb 9am-9pm
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Room temp is 75 degrees
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? I’m always misting and he constantly has water so average
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? No plants
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? Near the window and I live in the boondocks of pa, Cage is on the tope of the night stand table
Location - Where are you geographically located? PA boondocks with corn field in back yard
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Just got him been letting him settle in
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? Crickets as much as he can handle then I remove the rest, Once a day
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? With out D3 Supplement Calcium With every feeding, Repti Vitamin twice a week
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I use a dripper, Mist 3-4 times aday
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? On pooped once since 2days ago
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. No
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? Screen 16x16x20 Possibly
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? 40watt bulb 9am-9pm
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Room temp is 75 degrees
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? I’m always misting and he constantly has water so average
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? No plants
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? Near the window and I live in the boondocks of pa, Cage is on the tope of the night stand table
Location - Where are you geographically located? PA boondocks with corn field in back yard
Elizadolots
New Member
I hate my eyes...I didn't even see the chameleon, I was so busy noticing the lack of climbing options.
I'm not convinced that cage is too small...I agree it's small but that can work. Most chameleons stay near the top anyway. I think a lot of the prowling people see is because the animal feels insecure. Wrapping a couple of sides with a dark drape (something that allows air to move) can help with that. I think a live plant or two and loads more vines could make that a comfy enclosure for an animal that size.
That said, the easiest way to make him comfy is to give him a bigger enclosure.
I'm not convinced that cage is too small...I agree it's small but that can work. Most chameleons stay near the top anyway. I think a lot of the prowling people see is because the animal feels insecure. Wrapping a couple of sides with a dark drape (something that allows air to move) can help with that. I think a live plant or two and loads more vines could make that a comfy enclosure for an animal that size.
That said, the easiest way to make him comfy is to give him a bigger enclosure.
Solid Snake
Avid Member
My opinions/thoughts are in red.Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care? Jackson Chameleon, Sub Adult, 3days
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon? Just got him been letting him settle in
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders? Crickets as much as he can handle then I remove the rest, Once a day
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? With out D3 Supplement Calcium With every feeding,IME plain calcium should be used only 2-3 times a week. Repti Vitamin twice a weekI would only use this once every month at most.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking? I use a dripper, Mist 3-4 times aday
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? On pooped once since 2days ago
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. No
Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? Screen 16x16x20 Possibly He can survive in there, but I would definitley get him a larger space asap. The larger enclosure will make it easier to creat a proper temperature gradient, and control your cage weather all around in addition to making him very happy
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? 40watt bulb 9am-9pmThis is for basking? Sounds about right watt for that size cage, you need a UVB source though. This is more than essential. They have to have UVB to generate D3 so they can properly absorb calcium.
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps? Room temp is 75 degreesThat is fine for an ambient temp. a basking temp of 80-85F is ideal for them. They will use the heat to digest food, but if it is too hot, they start to have propblems.
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity? I’m always misting and he constantly has water so average This is important, as jacksons are a montane species, and require a higher ambient RH. No less than 50% is ideal.
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? No plantsIMO, live plants are the only way to go. I recommend getting him a small pothos at least, if he is to be in that small cage for more than a few days.
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? Near the window and I live in the boondocks of pa, Cage is on the tope of the night stand table
Location - Where are you geographically located? PA boondocks with corn field in back yard
If you have any questions about anything I mentioned please ask.
ChamFreak
Avid Member
Chams tend to goto the highest point they can, as seen in your pic. Did you notice that there is no light at all there. I suggest you fix that. He will decline.
As said in other parts of this thread, you need a 50% or more RH and there is no way to get that with your setup.
How does he drink? I cant imagine its easy since there is no way for water to trickle.
Yes I think the cage is to small, however as said I think you should work on getting a live plant and some way points for your cham to wonder his cage.
I would indeed remove the stuff on the bottom of the cage, could mold and cause a URI. Not healthy
Put your 5.0 bulb in the middle of the cage so it can be absorbed in the cham.
All these folks have great ideas, I would strongly suggest you fix these quickly, as any cham owner knows, once a a cham starts to fail, they decline fast and its expensive to take to a herp vet and very hard at times to bring back to life.
Hope this helps, would love to see new pics with new things added!
Shawn
As said in other parts of this thread, you need a 50% or more RH and there is no way to get that with your setup.
How does he drink? I cant imagine its easy since there is no way for water to trickle.
Yes I think the cage is to small, however as said I think you should work on getting a live plant and some way points for your cham to wonder his cage.
I would indeed remove the stuff on the bottom of the cage, could mold and cause a URI. Not healthy
Put your 5.0 bulb in the middle of the cage so it can be absorbed in the cham.
All these folks have great ideas, I would strongly suggest you fix these quickly, as any cham owner knows, once a a cham starts to fail, they decline fast and its expensive to take to a herp vet and very hard at times to bring back to life.
Hope this helps, would love to see new pics with new things added!
Shawn
