Interesting chameleon species...

[kinyonga]

A new chameleon of the bitaeniatus complex...
http://www.zfmk.de/BZB/Band_57/BzB_57_1_Krause.pdf

Ecology of three sympatric species of the genus Chamaeleo in a tropical upland forest in the Cameroons...
http://www.unifr.ch/biol/ecology/bersier/publications/JHerp_Hofer_2003.pdf

 

[eisentrauti]

Very interesting, thanks for posting !!!

 

[kinyonga]

You're welcome!

 

[Trace]

The only thing better than bitaeniatus are more bitaeniatus! Thanks Lynda!

 

[fluxlizard]

That new chameleon looks a lot like rudis. Been a while since I've looked at a rudis though...

 

[jack29]

Thanks for posting!! it's a very interesting article.. specially for those who keep T. sternfeldi and rudis!!

 

[Chris Anderson]

That new chameleon looks a lot like rudis. Been a while since I've looked at a rudis though...

Thanks for posting!! it's a very interesting article.. specially for those who keep T. sternfeldi and rudis!!

Just to clarify, T. rudis are not currently kept in captivity. The species that is sold as "rudis" is actually T. sternfeldi, which is very similar in appearance to the new species.

Thanks for the post, Lynda. Thats a description that managed to slip past me.

Chris

 

[kinyonga]

Imagine that...I found something that Chris didn't see first! (wink)

 

[ssapssaebi]

I was about to say that this new species looks exactly same as Rudis, but Chris made it clear that there is no Rudis in the market.

 

[jack29]

Just to clarify, T. rudis are not currently kept in captivity. The species that is sold as "rudis" is actually T. sternfeldi, which is very similar in appearance to the new species.

But also those chams called red rudis are T. sternfeldi? because they're very different from T. sternfeldi, like ones i keep, at first site.. maybe they're just a form coming to a different area of normal T. sternfeldi? thanks for the explanation!!

 

[DGray]

from the moutaintop

A new chameleon of the bitaeniatus complex...
http://www.zfmk.de/BZB/Band_57/BzB_57_1_Krause.pdf ...

This is very interesting and well-written. Thanks for putting it up here, K.

Its fascinating how the genetic analysis is fully a part of the species description in this.

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Ecology of three sympatric species of the genus Chamaeleo in a tropical upland forest in the Cameroons...
http://www.unifr.ch/biol/ecology/bersier/publications/JHerp_Hofer_2003.pdf

This is an oldie, but a goodie. Its one of my favorites; some may say that I have a bias

 

[eisentrauti]

But also those chams called red rudis are T. sternfeldi? because they're very different from T. sternfeldi, like ones i keep, at first site.. maybe they're just a form coming to a different area of normal T. sternfeldi? thanks for the explanation!!

Hi Jack,

I have just sent a mail to one of the authors with the questions you ask. In my opinion the red rudis are at least a subspecies of sternfeldi (offspring of T.sternfeldi/cf.rudis (red rudis)) is unfertile. Maybe some of my specimen of the "red rudis" can help to clear this question

Cheers
Benny

 

[Chris Anderson]

But also those chams called red rudis are T. sternfeldi? because they're very different from T. sternfeldi, like ones i keep, at first site.. maybe they're just a form coming to a different area of normal T. sternfeldi? thanks for the explanation!!

Morphologically the red rudis are more similar to T. sternfeldi than T. rudis so they would more accurately be considered "Trioceros cf sternfeldi" until they were reviewed and either determined to be the same or different from T. sternfeldi. Looking at that article, however, the T. sternfeldi photo from Kilimanjaro looks to me like the "red rudis", in which case, it was included in the analysis and found to be not sufficiently distinct genetically as to warrant distinction from T. sternfeldi.

Chris

 

[jack29]

Morphologically the red rudis are more similar to T. sternfeldi than T. rudis so they would more accurately be considered "Trioceros cf sternfeldi" until they were reviewed and either determined to be the same or different from T. sternfeldi. Looking at that article, however, the T. sternfeldi photo from Kilimanjaro looks to me like the "red rudis", in which case, it was included in the analysis and found to be not sufficiently distinct genetically as to warrant distinction from T. sternfeldi.

I have just sent a mail to one of the authors with the questions you ask. In my opinion the red rudis are at least a subspecies of sternfeldi (offspring of T.sternfeldi/cf.rudis (red rudis)) is unfertile. Maybe some of my specimen of the "red rudis" can help to clear this question

I agree with both of you Benny and Chris, in particular T. sternfeldi from mount Kilimanjaro are very similar to "red rudis"!! Thanks for your detailed answer!!
Ben when you receive an answer to your mail let us know!!