How not to start a Saturday ( Vandalism)

[AJA]

This made me sick reading it and I am really bummed for you. Be sure to search and have friends search the Craigslist ads, they may try to disperse them there. Put an ad out for CL yourself. Notify your local authories (police report, sheriff, animal control), notify your local pet shops and any exotic animal rescue. I think if you put out flyers and can afford a reward for information leading to the arrest of people, you might get a break. . I know of a woman who put out flyer for a stolen goat and did find it, 50 miles from her home. She just did a radius around her house and word got out. Mailmen are GREAT resources too.


Please think twice before doing the glass on top of the wall. YOU could be held accountable for that. There was a story where a kid was stealing political signs out of a neighbors yard so he hooked one up to a LOW voltage charger and filmed the kid stealing the sign and getting zapped. The neighbor was charged for it...no kidding.

If you do nothing, nothing will happen.

 

[sandrachameleon]

I was suggesting the Police might take finger prints off the recovered stolen tubs, for comparison purposes should they arrest a suspect(s).

My neighbour had a window opened and items stolen that were on the table inside the window. Those items were of little monetary value. Still police showed up, dusted, and investigated. I was of the impression the stolen chameleons would be worth money and also that theft and trespass would be taken seriously where you live also. Perhaps not?

 

[chequepoint]

I was suggesting the Police might take finger prints off the recovered stolen tubs, for comparison purposes should they arrest a suspect(s).

My neighbour had a window opened and items stolen that were on the table inside the window. Those items were of little monetary value. Still police showed up, dusted, and investigated. I was of the impression the stolen chameleons would be worth money and also that theft and trespass would be taken seriously where you live also. Perhaps not?

Yeah, you live in canada. Not going to happen in America. The police don't have time to deal with things like this, they have traffic tickets to write, plus people smoking weed and prostitution to deal with. Crimes with victims don't get taken too seriously here.

 

[Eric Adrignola]

The police will do nothing if you don't alert them. IF you do alert them, they'll do something - maybe not fruitful, but they'll do something.

 

[Vegas Chad]

Yeah, you live in canada. Not going to happen in America. The police don't have time to deal with things like this, they have traffic tickets to write, plus people smoking weed and prostitution to deal with. Crimes with victims don't get taken too seriously here.

Damn, sorry to hear things are like that in TN. That’s not the case in most all places that I have lived in or spent any significant amount of time have very good local PD’s that would take something like this serous. Maybe not send out the hounds or the helicopter but a cop would be sent out to make a report and probably ask a few questions around the neighborhood.

 

[jojackson]

I wouldn't be able to sleep knowing that these criminals are still roaming the neighborhood looking for stuff to mess up.

LOl, where have you been living? Criminals have always been "roaming the neighborhood looking for stuff to mess up", the thing is that people are too damn selfish to care unless its your neighbourhood and your stuff. Then you take the time out from your busy, inwardly focused life to whine and complain to the underpaid (cops not politicians) and overworked elected officials who have bigger fish to fry and will never ever be sufficient. The law is to guide, not to prevent crime, only a fool beleives otherwise.
You are part of your community, therefore if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I know younger folk have no concept of it, but once community was about watching your neighbours back, watching over your neighbours children too, everybody took care of each other, diidnt 'look the other way' because they were late for work and didnt want to get involved.
We knew what was going on in our communitys and did something about it, we were pro-active. As a kid had I done something so obnoxious, any adult would have kicked my ass
and hauled me off to the nearest policeman, no matter im not his/her kid, because thats what community means.
Community is nothing but an empty word these days, cower behind your gates of steel with police on speed-dial, ignore it until it effects you personally, and you create your own 'ghetto'.
I'ts not "just getting worse", we're letting it, as parents, as adults, and as members of our community, and as voters!
If we stand back and allow our children and young and our criminal adult element to decide whats 'acceptable' in society, they do the same in their turn, and the only change is for the worse, chaos.
Take responsibility for our own community and our own children as a whole, and you can change things for the better. The future can be better. Today can be better!

 

[warpdrive]

The police will do nothing if you don't alert them. IF you do alert them, they'll do something - maybe not fruitful, but they'll do something.

I've been busy the past few days....
on one of them, my foster niece (bro-in-law's foster kid from France) got mugged for her cell phone by 20 kids.

after a quick search around the hood (2 hours with the little girl helping to look for them in the back seat.) , 2 of them were picked up and charged.

this is in Brooklyn NY folks. cops will get involved and help you the best that they can when asked.
but you gata make (file) a complaint for them to push the issue.

Harry

 

[summoner12]

Left turn ahead, ready?

Damn, sorry to hear things are like that in TN. That’s not the case in most all places that I have lived in or spent any significant amount of time have very good local PD’s that would take something like this serous. Maybe not send out the hounds or the helicopter but a cop would be sent out to make a report and probably ask a few questions around the neighborhood.

I think they are too busy with NASCAR in TN

 

[Docility]

LOl, where have you been living? Criminals have always been "roaming the neighborhood looking for stuff to mess up", the thing is that people are too damn selfish to care unless its your neighbourhood and your stuff. Then you take the time out from your busy, inwardly focused life to whine and complain to the underpaid (cops not politicians) and overworked elected officials who have bigger fish to fry and will never ever be sufficient. The law is to guide, not to prevent crime, only a fool beleives otherwise.
You are part of your community, therefore if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I know younger folk have no concept of it, but once community was about watching your neighbours back, watching over your neighbours children too, everybody took care of each other, diidnt 'look the other way' because they were late for work and didnt want to get involved.
We knew what was going on in our communitys and did something about it, we were pro-active. As a kid had I done something so obnoxious, any adult would have kicked my ass
and hauled me off to the nearest policeman, no matter im not his/her kid, because thats what community means.
Community is nothing but an empty word these days, cower behind your gates of steel with police on speed-dial, ignore it until it effects you personally, and you create your own 'ghetto'.
I'ts not "just getting worse", we're letting it, as parents, as adults, and as members of our community, and as voters!
If we stand back and allow our children and young and our criminal adult element to decide whats 'acceptable' in society, they do the same in their turn, and the only change is for the worse, chaos.
Take responsibility for our own community and our own children as a whole, and you can change things for the better. The future can be better. Today can be better!

the purpose of the criminal justice system is to deter crime, and promote a healthy living society to which reasonable rules and regulations are applied.(at least thats what the police are there for) other parts of the system are meant for a slew of other things. We are apparently doing something right since the crime rates over the last 5 years have been dropping, and dropping significantly here in the USA. it just seems to be getting worse, because we have better media coverage, and more information sharing day to day.

less than 2% of the time do police have to take drastic measures, and arrest someone, or do some type of CSI. most of what they do is write tickets, and "protect, and serve" by doing beats, and taking calls. By doing the fore mentioned they are successfully deterring crime. Though they are working hard to do even better by implementing programs such as CAPS, and community policing. SO DONT LOSE HOPE!!!

 

[Syn]

<off topic>
I can't say I've had the best run of luck with the police.

When I was younger, my parents car was stolen from them, check books, money, all gone. Cops didn't do a thing except "file a report", which was later no where to be found when the car was found on state trust land... the car gets towed, parents weren't notified, towing fees rack up in the thousands of dollars. We even had to pay fees to the state because it was on state trust land! All in all, I don't expect much from the police unless there is "action".

I'll quote a joke that my past predicament reminds me of.

George Phillips of Meridian, Mississippi was going up to bed when his wife told him that he'd left the light on in the garden shed, which she could see from the bedroom window.

George opened the back door to go turn off the light, but saw that there were people in the shed stealing things.

He phoned the police, who asked "Is someone in your house?" and he said "no". Then they said that all patrols were busy, and that he should simply lock his door and an officer would be along when available.

George said, "Okay," hung up, counted to 30, and phoned the police again.
"Hello, I just called you a few seconds ago because there were people in my shed. Well, you don't have to worry about them now cause I've just shot them all." Then he hung up.

Within five minutes three police cars, an Armed Response unit, and an ambulance showed up at the Phillips residence and caught the burglars red-handed.

One of the Policemen said to George: "I thought you said that you'd shot them!"

George said, "I thought you said there was nobody available!"

</off topic>

 

[insert name here]

Thats good stuff

 

[jojackson]

the purpose of the criminal justice system is to deter crime, and promote a healthy living society to which reasonable rules and regulations are applied.(at least thats what the police are there for) other parts of the system are meant for a slew of other things. We are apparently doing something right since the crime rates over the last 5 years have been dropping, and dropping significantly here in the USA. it just seems to be getting worse, because we have better media coverage, and more information sharing day to day.

less than 2% of the time do police have to take drastic measures, and arrest someone, or do some type of CSI. most of what they do is write tickets, and "protect, and serve" by doing beats, and taking calls. By doing the fore mentioned they are successfully deterring crime.

Im glad you can beleive in That.

Though they are working hard to do even better by implementing programs such as CAPS, and community policing. SO DONT LOSE HOPE!!!

Honest police do work hard, but are regularly 'punched in the face', by insulting sentences from lenient judges, to a multitude of stupid law which prevents them being more effective, and make it hard for them see reason to do the job honestly, or bother.
Syn's example is good.

Laws that prioritise the criminal, not the victim, Laws designed purely for revenue that havent been effective in many years and result in a clogged up justice system, and costly to taxpayers, not only in court cost, but in terms of time spent in prison for petty crimes.
The law does not work in favour of police. Its hard to get a conviction for anything anymore.

You cant rely on police to prevent crime, They just dont. Deterence is a fantasy , Its self evident, people continue to commit crimes.
Its what they want joe public to beleive. Especially if they want your vote.

What I was saying before is essentially that if we want to fight crime, we have to start in our own community, teaching our kids. The idea is, they teach theirs, they have less crime in each generation. As long we hide behind our gate, vote for the BS artist who promises to bring the crime rate down, beleive Mr Policeman can protect you, and incredulously, beleive cops walking the beat deters crime, or worse that that the law itself does, then it wont improve.

Responsible parents should Govern in power everywhere.

Try telling somebody who's child, wife, family have been mudered, that Police deter crime. They will laugh in your face.
Try telling the guy in jail because he couldnt pay a parking ticket, given to him by a beatdown cop, whos superiors demand a revenue /citation quota.
Try telling the unfortunate owners of small buissneses who have a shotgun pointed in their face , as a part of a regular day at work, by some lowlife or junkie.

Police are just people like us, frustrated by the same shit as us, their not superman or wonderwoman, its just a job they do. They know they dont deter crime anymore than law does, they are just here to deal with crime Post-fact.
Its up to us community members, its up to us patriots, and mostly, its up to us as human beings to improve our own condition. You cant pay for that like the cable guy.

 

[Metric]

"They know they dont deter crime anymore than law does"

Now your just being ignorant. I agreed with you 100% till that remark. Just having cops exist alone deters crime, regardless if they do anything or not. Law doesn't deter crime.... consequences do, and if there's no none to serve consequences, crime goes rampant, including people who normally wouldn't commit crimes, its human nature.

If you found $20 in the middle of the street would you give it to the police? if you wouldn't......your stealing.

regardless, heres proof;

"As a young teenager in proudly peaceable Canada during the romantic 1960s, I was a true believer in Bakunin's anarchism. I laughed off my parents' argument that if the government ever laid down its arms all hell would break loose. Our competing predictions were put to the test at 8:00 A.M. on October 17, 1969, when the Montreal police went on strike. By 11:20 A.M. the first bank was robbed. By noon most downtown stores had closed because of looting. Within a few more hours, taxi drivers burned down the garage of a limousine service that competed with them for airport customers, a rooftop sniper killed a provincial police officer, rioters broke into several hotels and restaurants, and a doctor slew a burglar in his suburban home. By the end of the day, six banks had been robbed, a hundred shops had been looted, twelve fires had been set, forty carloads of storefront glass had been broken, and three million dollars in property damage had been inflicted, before city authorities had to call in the army and, of course, the Mounties to restore order."

from: http://distributedrepublic.net/archives/2005/06/07/what-happens-when-the-police-go-on-strike

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Update on how many chams are still mia or how many chams are deceased? and did you take care of the kids? tlak to the police? what have you done so far?

 

[jojackson]

Now your just being ignorant. I agreed with you 100% till that remark. Just having cops exist alone deters crime, regardless if they do anything or not. Law doesn't deter crime.... consequences do, and if there's no none to serve consequences, crime goes rampant, including people who normally wouldn't commit crimes, its human nature.

If you found $20 in the middle of the street would you give it to the police? if you wouldn't......your stealing.

Tell me exactly what crime it deters? Old ladys will start looting if they dont see a beat cop? People will ignore traffic signs? Just suddenly totally, lose all control? C'mon if it deters crime, how do you know? It hasnt happened! You cant measure negative data, its fantasy that helps you sleep at night.

Your example is an extreme that happened 40 yrs ago. Mob hysteria! Im sure there was more to than folk just simply hearing of strike and thinking 'oh hell, I hate my boring job, ill go on a crimal rampage of violence today, right after my boiled eggs and toast!
police dont go on strike these days. Law abiding people just dont commit a crime because cheif wiggum is busy in the Ihop eating donuts with his back turned!

What made those people commit crimes of violence? Just because they thought they'd get away with it? I dont beleive that, They were so inclined to begin with, if they were well raised and balanced individuals they would never consider it, they would be inside their homes or going to work as usual. Like everybody Not involved was! Which technically disproves it!

What your claiming is that everyone is inherently a criminal, requiring only the slightest encouragement to commit heinous crime, and all civility goes instantlty out the window. Its not so. We are not hovering precariously on the brink of utter chaos, Good prevails, decency prevails,
I have to beleive that.
criminals are of either two types.
Made criminal by useless legislation, Or criminal by nature.

Anyway Nobody advocated removing police, Im just stating the facts.

Im talking about getting real with raising children, so they dont grow up to be
Montreal rioters in the first place.

Ofcourse we need police, but they do not deter a person intent on crime,
they can only deal with the aftermath. If your talking about their prescence deterring crime like shoplifting, then yes obviously, but not serious crime that shatters lives. If some physco wants to follow a girl home, rape her, bash her skull in with a hammer and try to burn the house down with her in it (This happened two blocks from me, accross the street from my childrens primary (elementary) school), then they obviously arnt deeply considering the possible consequences. Therefor consequences dont deter, the law does not deter either!
Did campus police deter the columbine gunmen? Or any since? NO. Neither obviously did the fact that blowing people away was 'Ooooh, against the law". We are breeding the phsycos, or the decent citzens of tomorrow, its the time betweeen that counts, that determins which they are.
The law and the police are there Because of crime! (notice the post tense?)
Crime is there because we allow it, dont you dare say its human nature. Tell a peadaphile victim, a rape victim, a murder victim (*you may need to shout for that one), its human nature.
Thats a cop out, we're supposed to be an evolved species.

Yah for "keeping the crime rate down" less murders this year, what progress. How about elimenating them? They said we couldnt reach the moon!


The only deterent is prevention through education, Starting in the playground, and members of the community willing to do something about it,
willing to take their own safety and that of their neighbours, into their own hands.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

You might not agree, but get this. I speed relatively wherever i go, i just dont like going "slow", the speed limit, i get where i need to go fast. Yet i do not speed in certain spots in my nieghborhood because i know cops sit out and tag people who speed with their radar. Their presence in that spot repeatedly makes me abide the speed limit. So to a certain degree i have to agree with metric.

 

[jojackson]

Yes but you miss the point. You know its illegal to speed, you know why its illegal, you know the consequences, Yet you are still speeding deliberately, except now your being careful not to get caught.
Serial Killers still be careful not to be caught, But they still kill, hence the 'serial' part!
Police have not deterred you (and you will be caught, hopefully before you kill an innocent person) and the law has not deterred you, whatsoever, because you WANT TO DO IT!

Being forced to veiw the shattered body of a child run down and killed by an idiot who thought it was fun to speed, might deter you, if you have any decency, but the system alone has not, cannot. You choose.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Yes but you miss the point. You know its illegal to speed, you know why its illegal, you know the consequences, Yet you are still speeding deliberately, except now your being careful not to get caught.
Serial Killers still be careful not to be caught, But they still kill, hence the 'serial' part!
Police have not deterred you (and you will be caught, hopefully before you kill an innocent person) and the law has not deterred you, whatsoever, because you WANT TO DO IT!

Being forced to veiw the shattered body of a child run down and killed by an idiot who thought it was fun to speed, might deter you, if you have any decency, but the system alone has not, cannot. You choose.

It seems like you are making everything to the extreme, there is no logic about it. There is a difference t speeding where you can get a ticket I.e. 50 in a 40 and speeding going 85 in a 25 where you destroy a kid. What i am saying is that the police presence causes me to slow down and go the speed limit, even when they are not there.

 

[jojackson]

What i am saying is that the police presence causes me to slow down and go the speed limit, even when they are not there

Thats not what you said Vince.

I speed relatively wherever i go, i just dont like going "slow", the speed limit, i get where i need to go fast. Yet i do not speed in certain spots in my nieghborhood because i know cops sit out and tag people who speed with their radar. Their presence in that spot repeatedly makes me abide the speed limit.

Yes In certain Spots. Thats a bit different to saying 'I never break the speedlimit, anywhere, anytime'. Its still illegal and dangerous and deliberate, weather cheif wiggum is there or not!

There is a difference t speeding where you can get a ticket I.e. 50 in a 40 and speeding going 85 in a 25 where you destroy a kid.

You can 'destroy' a kid doing 50 in a 40 too. Wheres the difference exactly? The law is not about degree, its black and white. The kid will still be dead.
The difference if any, is that despite that, you still choose to speed where you are sure you will not be noticed by police, you are not deterred, simply thwarted temporarily.

When they arrest you, it will be AFTER (post) you get caught, thats what they do. The only real way to deter you is to physically prevent you.
This is where community and parenting come in, why do you enjoy doing something so stupid?
Atleast do it on a track, where you can only waste yourself, not on the streets our kids play in.

 

[GooglezNvincent]

Lol there is no middle ground, me and you; 2 head strong people with strong beliefs. Agree to disagree!