how many times can you breed one female ambilobe panther cham?
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drcrossfire
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jannb
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I personally would not breed more that once a year and I would not breed before the age of one or past the age of three so in a life time you are looking at maybe three times. I love my females and would never want to do anything to harm them. I'm sure there's other members here that breed more. The more you mate and the more often she lays eggs the shorter lifespan she will have.
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yankfanthom
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I guess you have to look at it whether you are keeping a pet or becoming a breeder. Females can lay 2-3 clutches from each mating which can span anywhere from 3-4 months. If you looking to be a breeder you will mate her anytime she becomes receptive which often is more than once a year based on the temps you keep her in and how much she is fed. It all plays a factor.
Ashlovesem
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sdheli420
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all i know is my female keeps popping out unferties about every 2 months on the dot and if thats already a strain, what would be the difference if she was just laying fertilized eggs vs. unferties???? so if shes going to produce eggs either way and need to dig why not just breed her??
ive been wondering about this myself since im yet to have fertilized eggos form her..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX76fMcv5ak&list=UUCQNSytOdLMf-ZF97X_CG6g&index=1&feature=plcp she just got done dooin it again even..
ive been wondering about this myself since im yet to have fertilized eggos form her..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX76fMcv5ak&list=UUCQNSytOdLMf-ZF97X_CG6g&index=1&feature=plcp she just got done dooin it again even..
camimom
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all i know is my female keeps popping out unferties about every 2 months on the dot and if thats already a strain, what would be the difference if she was just laying fertilized eggs vs. unferties???? so if shes going to produce eggs either way and need to dig why not just breed her??
ive been wondering about this myself since im yet to have fertilized eggos form her..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX76fMcv5ak&list=UUCQNSytOdLMf-ZF97X_CG6g&index=1&feature=plcp she just got done dooin it again even..
if you ever do breed her...
I want a boy.
not joking.
put me on that list for a boy.
jannb
Chameleon Enthusiast
all i know is my female keeps popping out unferties about every 2 months on the dot and if thats already a strain, what would be the difference if she was just laying fertilized eggs vs. unferties???? so if shes going to produce eggs either way and need to dig why not just breed her??
ive been wondering about this myself since im yet to have fertilized eggos form her..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX76fMcv5ak&list=UUCQNSytOdLMf-ZF97X_CG6g&index=1&feature=plcp she just got done dooin it again even..
If a female even lays eyes on a male it can cause her to start producing a clutch of eggs. In my experience fertile eggs were bigger, harder for the female to lay and drained her more that the infertile eggs. If you keep the male out of sight of the female, feed her less and keep her cooler you might be able to stop or at least cut back on the production of eggs.
Olimpia
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I'm with Jann, a female doesn't HAVE to lay eggs every 2 months. It's true I guess that you may as well get fertiles out of every time she lays, but you're just draining her to death. I think it's more humane (even if you are a professional breeder) to keep her cool and on a diet and breed once a year.
It's what the reputable, responsible breeders do with dogs, cats, etc. You don't breed a female more than once a year (maybe twice a year) if you want her to stay healthy and strong. We chastise the puppy mills for breeding their females to death, breeding them every chance they get, I don't know why the reptile community should condone the same thing in our females.
I think it's better to invest in more females, and keep each of them healthy if you're going to breed professionally. And try to keep them from breeding when it's their time off. Like that Screameleon blog posted recently said, which I completely agree with, a female in the wild would not breed as often as they do in the captivity. They would wait from environmental cues like warm temps, abundance of food before breeding. And then when the weather cools and food is less available, they would not produce eggs. But since we provide warm temps and lots of food all year long, we put them into egg over-drive. And I think we shouldn't.
It's what the reputable, responsible breeders do with dogs, cats, etc. You don't breed a female more than once a year (maybe twice a year) if you want her to stay healthy and strong. We chastise the puppy mills for breeding their females to death, breeding them every chance they get, I don't know why the reptile community should condone the same thing in our females.
I think it's better to invest in more females, and keep each of them healthy if you're going to breed professionally. And try to keep them from breeding when it's their time off. Like that Screameleon blog posted recently said, which I completely agree with, a female in the wild would not breed as often as they do in the captivity. They would wait from environmental cues like warm temps, abundance of food before breeding. And then when the weather cools and food is less available, they would not produce eggs. But since we provide warm temps and lots of food all year long, we put them into egg over-drive. And I think we shouldn't.
Puppy Mills are a business breeding dogs when our country puts multiple dogs to sleep every single day in many different ways. I don't see chameleons being put to sleep or offered for free in everyday ads.
That being said no you shouldn't breed just because your female lays infertile. Unless you have the time dedication money and means of rehoming them . The average keeper does not. Which it seems like thats all the avg keeper wants to do is breed? Why ?
I don't like to assume that they breed less in the wild or eat less without facts. I feed my females daily wether its one single feeder or 5. I don't believe in holding back food to an animal that would naturally have the choice to eat or not to eat.
That being said no you shouldn't breed just because your female lays infertile. Unless you have the time dedication money and means of rehoming them . The average keeper does not. Which it seems like thats all the avg keeper wants to do is breed? Why ?
I don't like to assume that they breed less in the wild or eat less without facts. I feed my females daily wether its one single feeder or 5. I don't believe in holding back food to an animal that would naturally have the choice to eat or not to eat.
Olimpia
Biologist & Ecologist
So as long as there is a demand for chameleons you can justify breeding females to a shortened life?
I feed my female the same thing, 1-4 insects a day, and keep her warmest temp at 80*F. I'm not starving her either, but I don't give her the 15 insects she would eat if I let her. And by doing this I try to keep her from laying clutches and hopefully live 4+ years, instead of ~2. It's worked successfully for others, so I try it as well.
I feed my female the same thing, 1-4 insects a day, and keep her warmest temp at 80*F. I'm not starving her either, but I don't give her the 15 insects she would eat if I let her. And by doing this I try to keep her from laying clutches and hopefully live 4+ years, instead of ~2. It's worked successfully for others, so I try it as well.
I never said anything about breeding females to death "shorten life" but you can take that comment however you feel like thats up to you. I would imagine by now you know I don't wouldn't think like that.
We have about the same care though Olimpia in temps and feeders though
I mated my girl once and thats all I feel like should happen. Im in it for experience I'm not here to run a business or make money and I care for my critters more than most people could imagine. a few clutches is way more than enough for the avg keeper. I don't think your going to run into an avg keeper breeding there female to death. The only people that may over breed their Females are Chameleons Businesses and if they do shame on them. Quit buying from them then will stop supplying the demand. Simple.
As for how many times can you breed your single female in a year that is up to the keeper to decide when they reach that point. I also believe when keeper is knowledgeable enough to breed they wouldn't ask these questions because they can get the sense of what is going on. How soon how often ect all varies.
sdheli420
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my male and female are still yet to breed (i do see them more active as it gets warmer) however they bask together, hang out with me together, ive only seen them get angry a few times (from the female climbing acrossed the male to get to food, or wherever she feels she needs to go without going around)..i have 2 females to my 1 male..they are dooing great, i keep temps at 72 degrees ambient with a basking site at 83 and keep food to a standard amount (females less than the male, with also a lil more calcium dusted than the males feeders) ive also had females and males separated, and have never had a female NOT produce eggs once she is sexually mature..i do get what you mean as in humanley to not over stress her, but from their demeanor, actions, and interactions with eachother i dont beleive she is stressed from it..matter of fact she will eat and drink to the minute i put her in her dig bucket, after she is done i shower her, then offer food and calcium water (witch she readily takes) and goes right back to basking with the 2 other chams..i am however slowly increasing the size of thier free range at the moment (they have the ability to cruise to places for solitude if needed)..so far they have been extremly happy even in the vids they ignore eachother for attention from me..maybe they are just an exception??
p.s. i also dont belive in caging an animal so having them caged and secluded from everything is not an option..
p.p.s. breeding is not new to me, however if she was producing fertile clutches all the time i would separate her just for the fact i dont want to deal with more than 100 babies anymore ( back in 1995 i had 137 at one point..OMG they are a hassle to feed, water, make sure temps are perfect, no dehydraiting..its worse than a human child, lol)
p.s. i also dont belive in caging an animal so having them caged and secluded from everything is not an option..
p.p.s. breeding is not new to me, however if she was producing fertile clutches all the time i would separate her just for the fact i dont want to deal with more than 100 babies anymore ( back in 1995 i had 137 at one point..OMG they are a hassle to feed, water, make sure temps are perfect, no dehydraiting..its worse than a human child, lol)
Well where ever you have your animals they are still restricted wether it be in a bedrooms or screen cages so you are basically caging them and can seclude them. I bet they don't live in your trees outside free as a bird. So I don't know what your getting at with that comment.
I wasn't talking about you personally either i was just using your every 2 months as a general statement. Wanted to make that clear though since it really wasn't in my last post. 137 babies is way to much for me Id be giving chameleons away for free.
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