hope i've got it right now!

[blackbetty]

It being too large is not an issue. I think a Cream cheese container is too shallow and whatever you are feeding will have a chance to escape easier. Chams have a long tongue. If you attach it near a vine so they can sit over top of it or even tilt it, it will be fine. Just something no deeper than say 4 inches. (Just an approx). I used deli cups.

 

[dodolah]

http://en.allexperts.com/q/House-Plants-721/Philodendron-Pothos.htm

based on this... i'm going to have to say it is a pothos. have nothing to compare it to tho to know if the leaves and stems are thinner or not!

the link you list have one mistake in it.
Comparing pothos and philo based on coloration is very misleading.
there are some philo that have variegated leaves. Although rare to be sold in wal mart, you can see them sold there once in a while.


check this link:
https://www.chameleonforums.com/plants-20281/

 

[ciafardo 4]

Does anyone know if these plants are toxic to reptiles i use anything i find and i never once had a problem if you read chameleon company website it will tell you that just because things are toxic to mamals doesn't make them toxic to reptiles i think you guys get carried away with this plant stuff can someone produce one incident that a chameleon has taken ill or death from plants? No offense but i will put the toxic plant stuff on the shelf with the wood baking

 

[dodolah]

Does anyone know if these plants are toxic to reptiles i use anything i find and i never once had a problem if you read chameleon company website it will tell you that just because things are toxic to mamals doesn't make them toxic to reptiles i think you guys get carried away with this plant stuff can someone produce one incident that a chameleon has taken ill or death from plants? No offense but i will put the toxic plant stuff on the shelf with the wood baking

actually, i have one baby veiled died from eating philo in the past..
I got misinformed by a "reptile specialist". (I was in elementary school back then and internet wasn't available, yet).

 

[crablady]

* Philodendron does not have the distinctive ridge in its vine like Pothos does, which you can feel with your fingers. And Philodendron does not have troughs in the petioles of the leaves like Pothos.

* Philodendron has a dried, brownish-red sheath at each leaf node, highly visible (you really can't miss it), which is there to protect emerging leaves. As the leaf grows out, the sheath is no longer needed and it dries out. It'll stay in place (the sheath) until - and unless - you pull it off.

* Pothos also has a sheath but it's shorter and you really have to look closely to notice it.

* Pothos leaves are slightly more leathery than the ones on a Philodendron and the Philodendron vine is a little more slender than the one on a Pothos.

* The mature vine of a Philodendron is slightly brownish and new growth is green.

* The mature vine of a Pothos is green and new growth is pale green.

* Both Philodendron and Pothos leaves are heart-shaped but Philo leaves have a more pronounced shape. The point is sharper, longer and the leaves are darker.

* The petioles on a Philodendron are smooth as it has no trough, while the Pothos has a trough on each petiole.

* There is a ridge on the Pothos vine and it tends to be sturdier than the Philodendron, which has smooth vines all around.

* Both plants have nodes that can become roots but Pothos does not have obvious sheaths like the Philodendron.

okay dodolah, this is from the link on the link you gave me. Thanks! i am going to have to say this is a pothos. but i am much relieved to have it clarified and now i will know in the future.

there is a ridge in the vine (although very faint to feel)
the petioles (this is the leaf stem itself right?) definitely are not smooth, there is an obvious trough.
there is no brown growth on the base plant (mature growth) all vines are green.


many thanks for helping me clarify it!

 

[blackbetty]

I see Philo all the time at walmart. They are rather fuzzy/soft on the leaves and have a pinkish tint, correct?

 

[dodolah]

Philodendron:

Pothos:

as you can see, not much difference except for the quote that Crablady provided from the link.

 

[Sancho]

Very nice setup I love the drip pan idea!

 

[ciafardo 4]

I have philo in a male veiled cage and in two male oustalets cages no problems the veiled has even eatin the leaves because there are v shaped spots missing again with no problems. dodolah i 'm not trying to be a hard on here just how did you come to the conclusion that your veiled died eating philo did you have an autopsy preformed and was there blood toxicology test ran couldn't it just be a coincidence that your baby veiled just died cause somtimes thats what happens to baby chams .i just want facts that certain plants are infact toxic thats all! another example the umbrella tree not the umbrella plant is considered toxic but yet again i have several in female veileds enclosures they really seem to enjoy eating these so called toxic plants i mean most of the leaves are gone . ITS just rubs me the wrong the way people are just waiting to shout things out that they consider to be improper husbandry without any evidence. Ok you can say well i just dont want to take the chance thats fine i can respect that but pleaase dont post it as if its a matter of fact when you really just dont know what is toxic to reptiles.

 

[crablady]

philo has been seen on every toxic plant list i've ever seen though... if there's a chance of it being eaten then i'm not going to take a chance of one of my critters getting sick from it. it's on lists for cats and dogs and kids too..

 

[dodolah]

I have philo in a male veiled cage and in two male oustalets cages no problems the veiled has even eatin the leaves because there are v shaped spots missing again with no problems. dodolah i 'm not trying to be a hard on here just how did you come to the conclusion that your veiled died eating philo did you have an autopsy preformed and was there blood toxicology test ran couldn't it just be a coincidence that your baby veiled just died cause somtimes thats what happens to baby chams .i just want facts that certain plants are infact toxic thats all! another example the umbrella tree not the umbrella plant is considered toxic but yet again i have several in female veileds enclosures they really seem to enjoy eating these so called toxic plants i mean most of the leaves are gone . ITS just rubs me the wrong the way people are just waiting to shout things out that they consider to be improper husbandry without any evidence. Ok you can say well i just dont want to take the chance thats fine i can respect that but pleaase dont post it as if its a matter of fact when you really just dont know what is toxic to reptiles.

no problem, understandable.
The reason why I believe it was due to poisoning is the reaction he did after eating the leaves.

The baby eat the leaves and soon immediately convulse and start vomiting.
Called a vet who came to my place.
Regardless, he died with his tongue out swollen the next day.

The cage is screen. No live plants except the philodendron one.
Philodendron had been washed multiple times to get rid of pesticides and all.
He lived outside under Indonesia's weather.. where he can enjoy sun 24/7
Supplemented well and eat lots of variety insects.


Ever since, I become aware on putting plants inside my cham's cage.
My way of thinking is if the plants have any trace of poison in it (mammal-wise or reptile-wise), then I would not risk putting it inside my cham's cage (even if he is not a leaf eater nor a mammal).

I learn it the hard way and I stand by my experience.
Now, let's talk about umbrella tree.. lol jk Ciafardo

I hope I did not send out wrong signals to Crablady.

I do not have the intention to insinuate that she had improper husbandry or being irresponsible or anything.
I apologize if it sound like that.
I thought it's a good idea to bring up a point of the difference between pothos and philo.

 

[dave101]

Hey NewOwner thanks for the info about making the drip system. Just 1 question, probably a dumb one but what is a T nozzle? any pictures?

 

[crablady]

i don't use a T nozzel but the flow control valve. it is in the aquarium section of your pet store. has two ends for attatchin tubing to, and then a turning knob on top to adjust the flow. used in aquariums for air bubbles but will also control the flow of water in the dripper.

one end into the water chamber, sealed with hot glue. the other end into some air tuing to flow into the cage and landing on a leaf.

I hope I did not send out wrong signals to Crablady.

I do not have the intention to insinuate that she had improper husbandry or being irresponsible or anything.

not at all. i appreciate now knowing the difference for sure.

Now, let's talk about umbrella tree.. lol jk Ciafardo

what about the umbrella plant??i have one too and there are bite marks in it. They're on the safe list.