SSimsswiSS
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Have babies that were born 2-3-10. My guess is that their mom came from Hawaii. Should I let their nighttime temp. drop to 40 degrees, or mimic the island low temps?
Hoehnelii question / advise
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Chuck G
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I wouldn't go that low. I think 55 would be more ideal.
T. hoehnelii don't come from Hawaii, nor is there an introduced population (I'm 99% sure, at least). Are you sure you have T. hoehnelii, not T. Jacksonii? If you do have an hoehnelii, it's probably of a Kenyan locale. This locale does require substantial night temp drops; but I think babies could be treated with 'regular' montane night temps (say, 60F?).
Good luck with your neo's,
Good luck with your neo's,
DGray
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Hawaii?
Are there any chameleon breeders in high elevation areas of Maui or Hawai`i? You would not see temperatures of 40 deg. F. (4.5 deg C.) at lowland areas on most islands. I've never experienced that temperature on O`ahu. Any elevation. On Hawai`i you might feel that night temperature at about 2500' (760 m.) near Volcano from time to time.
Seems surprising to me to think that they would be from Hawaii.
Not sure about their natural habitat lows. The type locality is at 6000' (1830 m.) Several authors say they occur at 9185' (2800m.) or even up to the snow line(!).
From the reports, a night around 40 deg. F. would be alright, providing there was the opportunity for a quick warm-up in the morning. Others will chime in, I'm sure.
Are there any chameleon breeders in high elevation areas of Maui or Hawai`i? You would not see temperatures of 40 deg. F. (4.5 deg C.) at lowland areas on most islands. I've never experienced that temperature on O`ahu. Any elevation. On Hawai`i you might feel that night temperature at about 2500' (760 m.) near Volcano from time to time.
Seems surprising to me to think that they would be from Hawaii.
Not sure about their natural habitat lows. The type locality is at 6000' (1830 m.) Several authors say they occur at 9185' (2800m.) or even up to the snow line(!).
From the reports, a night around 40 deg. F. would be alright, providing there was the opportunity for a quick warm-up in the morning. Others will chime in, I'm sure.
SSimsswiSS
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Thanks, Chuck
Thanks, I have hoehnelii, and c.j.jackson babies from over the weekend. I hope to not forget my camera at work tonight. Going whole weekend with only a i-phone cam is hell. Hoe babies got the 40 degree treatment (basically a 20 point swing in outdoor temp) last night, and while I should probably treat the jacksons the same, they only got a 10 degree drop in temp..
Thank you, I have to admit, I always forget that it snows on Hawaii.
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Hey Steve,
Congrats on all the babies.
The T. j. jacksonii and T. hoehnelii are "farm raised" in Kenya. With my baby hoehnelii, I only let them get down to the low 60s/high 50s at night and they seemed to do well.
If you have any questions about raising the hoehnelii, feel free to let me know.
Chris
Congrats on all the babies.
The T. j. jacksonii and T. hoehnelii are "farm raised" in Kenya. With my baby hoehnelii, I only let them get down to the low 60s/high 50s at night and they seemed to do well.
If you have any questions about raising the hoehnelii, feel free to let me know.
Chris
Kent67
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Hey Steve, based on my experiences with the Kenyan animals (and babies) my advice would be to start them all off in screen cages, no tubs. And as much possible time outside, the better. That won't be so easy this time of year but it sure seems to make a difference. Best of luck with them!
eisentrauti
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Hoehneliis from Hawaii ? I have never heard anything about it 
SSimsswiSS
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Thanks Chris.
I can't let you have all the montane fun, Laurie. Pics coming tonight.
Thanks for the screen cage advice, Kent. I was thinking outside, with air flow would be better too.
Let's see how I do with them, in a few months, first.Congrats on the Ho Hos Steve, watch your back with them. I would like to be on the "list" if you go that route.
You don't know the secret Hawaiian handshake, Benny? These guys were being kept, farmed, etc., over there. Similar climate to Kenyan mountain slopes, I'm guessing.Hoehneliis from Hawaii ? I have never heard anything about it
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Steve,
All the T. hoehnelii and T. j. jacksonii shipments that have come in over the last 4 or 5 years are from farms in Kenya, not Hawaii. Hawaii only has T. jacksonii xantholophus and Ch. calyptratus (which they are trying to eradicate).
In southern California you could definitely try to keep the babies outside in a screen enclosure and I am sure it would work well. I raised my T. hoehnelii babies indoors in fully planted Exo-Terra Glass Terrariums, however, and they did very well. If the temps aren't right for keeping them outside, that would be my recommendation.
Chris
SSimsswiSS
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Some baby pics. from tonight. Lights had already gone off, but some took advantage of the light to snag a FF or two.
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Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
They look really good, Steve!
Chris
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