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justjumpit621
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A good picture of it's back feet is required before anyone can sex. If it is a female, extra precautions will need to be taken to suppress the chance of infertile eggs. Also, a laying bin would be in order just in case...
justjumpit621
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You also have to wonder how long his "little guys" live
so much animosity on this forum. need more moderators.
justjumpit621
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Well does it tell you how long his baby chameleons live for? 2,3,4 years? That is what you should go by, not just that they live for a period of time with him.
he mentioned females 8 yrs, and males 5 of the veiled...
justjumpit621
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He may also live in a different part of the world, different climates call for different cages. Also different species. The book is talking about veiled chameleons right?
justjumpit621
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8 years sounds a little long, especially for a female veiled.
Syn
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I don't see anything posted that's against the rules?
He does books on everything, really.
Uh, are you sure? The females had a longer life than the males? Errm.. I am so confused.
Also, instead of creating 3 posts in a row, edit your previous post, it prevents spam and unnecessary bumping.
oooookkkk?
SpinyFranky
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I disagree.
Some forum members here choose to give females less food and lower temperatures to suppress egg laying, but in reality it is starving the animal of proper nutrients.
That is like saying women should eat less so they will cycle less.
The fact of the matter is when you do this you are denying the animal of the heat required to make its entire system function properly. They do not heat themselves like mammals, they require external sources to regulate temps. Proper temperature means that energy can be dispersed to maintain everything from heart rate to immune system and including reproduction cycles. Temperature also affect metabolism - which influences weight gain and fat retention.
Less food means that the animals body is forced to supply nutrients to vital parts in order to sustain itself, in essence you are starving it just enough that it can live.
Proper husbandry should be taken regardless of gender of the animal. Sufficient food should be provided, as well as temperatures.
Just because it is a pet does not mean you should have control over whether it CAN have enough resources to lay eggs or not. Owning a female means you take the responsibility to make sure that the chameleon will have everything it needs when it does lay eggs, not that you need to deny her things so that she won't be able to produce eggs in the first place.
If you are unwilling to do this, then you should purchase a male or research a live bearing species. Not starve the animal.
S.F
pssh
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Spiny, so then why do the ones that do not cycle eggs live longer? I thought as a responsible pet owner you wanted to make the animal healthy and live a long life? You can also kill her by feeding her too much. Many members feed exactly what they feed their males to their females and that is the small portions to prevent large clutches or eggs.
Syn
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First of all, where are you getting this information? Second of all, doesn't starvation imply loss of weight and death close afterward unless treated?
Also curious if you are telling all of the experienced members who feed their chameleons less that they are starving them and harming them in some way or another.
SpinyFranky
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When did I mention over feeding as a good thing? If I did forgive me.
As a responsible owner I do want the animal to be healthy and to have a long life, I do this by providing a proper enclosure and suitable diet.
Feeding a male chameleon a suitable diet means that he will grow to me large and strong. To a female the same thing applies, except that she will also lay clutches.
It is natural for female chameleons to have shorter life spans than males. I would rather let nature repeat itself than control the environment so much that the animal does not have the resources to produce eggs without the actual risk of doing so ending its life.
When my female reaches the age where she will lay eggs, she will have a laying bin. But she will also have a balanced diet and proper temperatures. In my opinion a well nourished female stands much greater chances of surviving clutches than a poorly nourished one who's body and instincts force her to lay. I would also like to think that a proper diet would do well to prevent becoming dehydrated so quickly or egg bound - as so commonly heard of on these forums.
People come here speaking of their females - of how they do everything to prevent a clutch, and when the female finally lays the animal is exhausted and near death. I would assume that had proper husbandry been taken into account the animal would have had a much easier time laying the eggs in the first place.
However I am not Vet, nor have I done intensive research to prove my opinion as a fact. At the end of the day it remains my opinion. Keep your females less nourished and sure they may produce less clutches, that is entirely your choice. I choose to nourish my chameleons equally and well, regardless of gender.
S.F
Opinions and thoughts based on experience and logic... need more of that around here
