He finnally arrived!

m1ndless said:
Start the flaming. :rolleyes: :p
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LOL

:eek: I did start my first post with "I'll probably get jumped on for this..."

I did successfully breed veileds a couple of times and I live in dry, dusty colorado. If these things needed even moderate humidity levels I would have had problems. But no, my babies were all in screen cages and were ridiculously healthy without being blasted with a spay bottle. Can anyone point me to a case of respiratory infection or any other problem that you might expect from humidity levels being too low. And don't say shedding issues, because none of mine ever had any.
 
Veiled Chameleons are physiologically adapted to thrive in dry environments. I don't know what else to say...

Thanks,

Joe
 
dodolah said:
:D let's not open a can of worm of glass enclosure VS all screen cage.
I am a screen cage guy myself but there are some great chameleon keepers that successfully raised their chameleons in glass enclosures with no problem whatsoever (providing that they are aware of the poor air flow issues and address it). I have no authority flaming those people as they are much better chameleon keepers than myself.

I think baby chameleons will benefit from having reared in glass enclosure.
I would say that 3 months old baby is ready to be moved to a screen cage.
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Mine is about 3 months, he is really small, I almos think this current cage is way to big for him, I built a 24Wx16Lx28H cage for him when gets big enough. . .
 
joefarah said:
Veiled Chameleons are physiologically adapted to thrive in dry environments. I don't know what else to say...

Thanks,

Joe
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adapted yes..
thrive probably not so much..
:)
my philosophy is i am trying to give him the most comfortable environment that he can get without going too low or too high humidity ;)
 
I am not jumping into the glass vs. screen. However, I raised my male Veiled from 8 weeks until 4 months in a 16X16X0 Reptariums and he did just fine.
 
I think in a month I should move him into a larger cage, I will need to get more plants too, I think ill get a nice Ficus.
 
Here is his tank, is it too dense?

My roomate just called, he left for a few hours and came back, and he was moved to the other side of the tank, but he cant tell if any crix have been eaten, there are still a few in the cup I put in there, and a few running around the bottom, and a few climbing around the plants.
 

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I think maybe averaging everyone's advice will put you in a great place.
The glass enclosure is fine for now ... I think babies actually benefit from humidity being a bit on the higher side, with temperatures a bit lower (low 80's). They live low in the grasses at this age.... not in the trees yet. I agree with Joe concerning their needs as adults. I do think a lot of people keep their veileds too "wet".
I am also in very dry Colorado and see humidity in my enclosures at 40% or above only briefly after a misting (which I do 2 or 3 times a day for no more than 30 seconds) A dripper runs all day long in each enclosure ....(refilled mid-day).
More than any other chameleon I am familiar with in captivity ... veileds are heat loving. I order to satisfy this without having ridiculous basking temperatures ... they need to be kept somewhat dry. My adult male's basking temp is 90 degrees f. and the female's warmest spot is around 83 degrees f.
These temps easily drop by 20 degrees during a mist ... so this is kept to a minimum. They know where the water drips and drink from it, they get a 30 second "wake-up" mist in the morning and one more in the mid afternoon, then possibly a 3rd (especially if shedding) in the late afternoon.
Several hours of dry out time is allowed between each misting.
 
Brad Ramsey said:
I think maybe averaging everyone's advice will put you in a great place.
The glass enclosure is fine for now ... I think babies actually benefit from humidity being a bit on the higher side, with temperatures a bit lower (low 80's). They live low in the grasses at this age.... not in the trees yet. I agree with Joe concerning their needs as adults. I do think a lot of people keep their veileds too "wet".
I am also in very dry Colorado and see humidity in my enclosures at 40% or above only briefly after a misting (which I do 2 or 3 times a day for no more than 30 seconds) A dripper runs all day long in each enclosure ....(refilled mid-day).
More than any other chameleon I am familiar with in captivity ... veileds are heat loving. I order to satisfy this without having ridiculous basking temperatures ... they need to be kept somewhat dry. My adult male's basking temp is 90 degrees f. and the female's warmest spot is around 83 degrees f.
These temps easily drop by 20 degrees during a mist ... so this is kept to a minimum. They know where the water drips and drink from it, they get a 30 second "wake-up" mist in the morning and one more in the mid afternoon, then possibly a 3rd (especially if shedding) in the late afternoon.
Several hours of dry out time is allowed between each misting.
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That is what I am going to do then, thanks!

How long til I should move him into something bigger? That cage is 24Lx12WX30H
 
I am a little worried about him, I am not sure if he is eating or not, I found some poop I think, it was right below where he has chilling all morning, but it was just a glob of white stuff with a little brown at the tip, is that normal?

Here is a pic I took of him when I woke up this morning, he was down on a lower branch, kinda under the basking light, but shaded, he was kinda dark and had alot of spots and stripes, but was still mostly green.

I could only find about 2-3 crix this morning, I didnt see them last night, but I guess they were hiding somehwere, and he hasnt touched the ones in the cup, they are all still sitting there.

I saw a cricket crawling around right next to my cham, but he didnt eat him, maybe cause I was there watching or something?
 

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He might not have a big brown spot(poop) since he was in shipping the day before. I am thinking that if he is 3 months old he is bigger and older than most people are thinking he is from the pics. I imagine that the glass could also be throwing him a bit. I never could get Mike's chams to cup feed, and they always were eating crickets crawling the screen. Make sure your temps are good. When mine wasn't eating the clue was to up his temps ever so slightly and it worked-but be careful in the aquarium, they heat fast.

Also, at 4 months mine was big enough to move into his 24X24X48 cage.
 
Also, I notice he closes his eyes alot, like sits there with his eyes closed for a while, it's weird.

He moved around alot this morning, but mostly hung out in that one spot.

EDIT - Sorry for double post!!
 
He really shouldn't be closing his eyes. Double check your temps, and mist and mist and mist. You will have to mist enough that you will probably have to wipe some water from the bottom of the aquarium. What size and how many crickets are you putting in there?
 
I put in 10 1/4'' crix, they are smaller than his head.

My temps seem to be fine, the basking spot wes at 81 at the top, he was at the bottom so I figure it was like 77 down there, and the rest of the cage is 68-70 degrees. I misted 3x times so far today, every 2-3 hours, with warm water.

He only closed his eyes when I got right up to the cagee, if I was on my bed, I noticed he moved around more and watched me alot, he like hid and poked his head barley over a leaf to see me, it was funny.

He was BRIGHT green when I left for a few hours and came back, but when I got close to look at him, he got spots, so I think ill just leave him alone as much as possible for now, I am sure he is just scared or something.

Does he look alright judging by the photo?
 
First of all, his colors look very nice. I think he may still be a little freaked out. I have a baby veiled and I kind of kill the crickets and set them on a branch near her, then she eats them. He may not eat because you are watching, but mine already eats from my hand, she is very nice:). Anyway try what I did to make mine eat.
 
There is a dead cricket at the bottom, looks like he drowned, should I leave him for the cham to eat or get him out?

There was a crix crawling practically on my cham, and it didnt even bother him, I was hoping he would eat.

I saw him "hunt" today, he followed crix real closeley, but I never saw his tounge or anything..
 
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