Growth on lip - concerned

meladori

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Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon: Veiled chameleon - suspect she is a female (although had requested male and named her Cornelius) - have had her since she was very young - possibly only a few weeks old, purchased April 7, 2015 from a small, local, independent pet store - my estimate is that she is about 4-5 months old now (July 12th)

Handling: We have never handled her other than to move her a few times from enclosure to enclosure for cleaning and upgrading. She is skittish and avoids me when cage door is opened, etc. She particularly hates getting her picture taken and will turn dark and do the lunging motion when I use either my iPhone or big camera to take a picture. (Kind of amusing but unfortunate.)

Feeding: She eats about 7 medium-sized crickets each afternoon. Sometimes I will feed her a few more if she is searching around, seemingly hungry. I give the crickets pet store cricket food (some dry mix) and Zilla Gut Load Cricket Drink with calcium (green gel stuff).

Supplements: I dust the crickets with Rapashy Superfoods Chameleon Calcium Plus powder when I purchase them (once per week or so).

Watering: Misting plants fairly heavily 4-5 times per day, or when humidity drops to somewhere in the 50% range. I treat the water with Zoo Med ReptiSafe water conditioner.

Fecal Description: She poops once per day and it is usually two dark droppings with a smaller whitish-yellow dropping as well.

History: Nothing to note other than recent change in terrarium as she has gotten larger.

Cage Info:
Cage Type: Zilla Fresh Air Screen Habitat for Reptiles - 18 x 30 x 30 inches

Lighting: Reptisun 5.0 UVB light and a 125watt Feit Electric heat lamp (no luck with reptile brand heat lamps-went through 3 that burnt out quickly).

Temperature: Temps in cage range from 72 to 90 degrees in most heated spot, measured using National Geographic brand Digital Thermometer and Hygrometer. Temp drops no lower than 69 degrees at night.

Humidity: 55-70% - misting tank plants 4-5 times per day, measured using National Geographic brand Digital Thermometer and Hygrometer.

Plants: One real hibiscus plant and a few fake vines, one large mopani wood branch, and a fake wood vine that curves around.

Placement: Cage is in a room that is about 1/3 under ground level in our house (bottom of window is basically at ground level). The cage is in front of the window and the top of the cage is about 5.5 feet from the floor in the room.

Location: Illinois, near Mississippi River

Current Problem: She has a strange growth on one side of her head (her right side) - on her lips (mostly bottom lip). It's like skin that never peeled when the rest of her peeled (she has peeled 3 times so far). The inside of her mouth looks totally fine when she eats and her behavior has not changed at all. There is no discharge or bleeding at all. She eats every day and climbs around the tank with seemingly normal energy levels. She only seems to get stressed when we get near her. I shared pictures of it with a veterinarian friend (new grad, little to no reptile experience though) and she was convinced it would go away on its own. A pet store employee told me to put Neosporin on it but I have not done that, as I was hesitant to even try it. It has been there for about a month now and not gotten worse or really any better.
 

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I think you need to take her to a reptile vet. I'm on my phone, but the photos look like a mouth infection. If she has an abscess in the lip, it will need to be physically cleaned out by the vet and she will need antibiotics. An infection can be still present without bleeding or the cheesy pus that you sometimes see with mouth rot. Advanced infections of this type can destroy the jaw bone, too. I'm not a vet, but I wouldn't wait any longer on this.
 
Yeah I figured that's what everyone would say. I have had trouble finding any local vet that knows much about reptiles. I will have to find one. Very concerned about cost so I was hoping to get more info before making a visit is all. Thanks.
 
To start with you need to peel away what is loose enough to remove on the outside, then take a good clean picture of it and repost. I have a few ideas. After the last guy who I tried to help told me he used a healing spell I'm not sure why I'm even bothering again. I've seen and dealt with something similar before but I need all that extra stuff cleared away if it comes off easy.

You might have an internal issue like an abscess, or you might have a more topical issue.
 
To start with you need to peel away what is loose enough to remove on the outside, then take a good clean picture of it and repost. I have a few ideas. After the last guy who I tried to help told me he used a healing spell I'm not sure why I'm even bothering again. I've seen and dealt with something similar before but I need all that extra stuff cleared away if it comes off easy.

You might have an internal issue like an abscess, or you might have a more topical issue.

Could you please explain to me the best way to do that? Just use a Q-tip or what would you recommend? She hates me, pretty much. Anytime I try to (gently and slowly) reach in there she will move away from me as fast as she can. I promise I won't attempt any healing spells. :D

I have paid close attention to the inside of her mouth when she is eating and it looks perfectly healthy. I will try to get a picture but the angle is never good to take a picture through the door opening and the camera struggles with focusing on the screen vs the cham otherwise.
 
Near Moline, IL. Besides Chicago, which is 2.5+ hours away, I think this is my best bet: http://www.animalfamilyveterinarycare.com/about-us/

One of our senior members recommends this vet:

Here's a great Chicago area reptile vet: There are many vets here that claim that they are an "exotic" vet, however in the Chicagoland area, there are only 2 of them that I would trust with any reptile, including all of my chams (and they take emergencies). Here is the one I go to. Since we are not "Cham Central USA", he has good connections/colleagues that he contacts for further information and/or questions and he is open-minded and is not opposed to taking cham advice/suggestions from a breeder with experience (i.e. many times, we have talked about stuff/suggestions on the forum).

Dr. Todd Gray
Arboretum View Animal Hospital
2551 Warrenville Road
Downers Grove, IL 60515
630-963-0424 - phone
630-963-0537 - fax
www.avah.org
 
One of our senior members recommends this vet:

Here's a great Chicago area reptile vet: There are many vets here that claim that they are an "exotic" vet, however in the Chicagoland area, there are only 2 of them that I would trust with any reptile, including all of my chams (and they take emergencies). Here is the one I go to. Since we are not "Cham Central USA", he has good connections/colleagues that he contacts for further information and/or questions and he is open-minded and is not opposed to taking cham advice/suggestions from a breeder with experience (i.e. many times, we have talked about stuff/suggestions on the forum).

Dr. Todd Gray
Arboretum View Animal Hospital
2551 Warrenville Road
Downers Grove, IL 60515
630-963-0424 - phone
630-963-0537 - fax
www.avah.org

I appreciate that recommendation, do you honestly think this issue is serious enough to warrant a 4-5 hour car ride to see this vet? I will call around tomorrow to more local places just to investigate what I can find out, but will definitely call this place if nothing closer turns up.

Edit: I did just request an appointment for Wednesday, using their online form, but there was no way to request a certain doctor. I will call tomorrow as well.
 
You do have a lot of local vet clinics around the Moline area, as well. You might reach out to a few and find out who the known local reptile vets are.
 
Honestly all that is required is a vet who is a little adventurous. All that needs to be done is to get a piece of that and send it to a lab for diagnosis. Vets do stuff like this on animals all the time. It seems outrageous to have to travel 4.5 hours. That could be crusting of a granulomatous lesion which means bacteria or fungi or it could be a viral lesion. If the inside of the mouth is clean then it is affecting the skin only and that shouldn't be too hard to biopsy by any competent vet. A course of antibiotics would be warranted but again the drugs and dosages are available to any vet with a bit of interest. It really isn't rocket science. I'd call around to more vets in your area and find one with some reptile or bird experience. There should be an emergency/referral vet who can direct you to the right person.
 
I can't see the lip clearly enough on my playbook to see exactly what is but it if it's mouthrot and there's some pus there it will need to be curretted. Chameleon pus is the texture of cottage cheese and the antibiotics won't penetrate it. A culture and sensitivity test will show the bacteria involved (usually pseudamonas) and the chameleon can be put on the appropriate antibiotic.

Good luck with it.
 
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