Fat Veiled female with eye problems...

JJC

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Hi there,

Yesterday I was looking at some Veiled Chameleons at a pet store. They were all from the same clutch about 7 months old. I was really interested in the females, because I already have a male. The person working in the reptile department is suppose to be one of the most knowledgeable people in the local herp pet industry. He told me stories about how he used to breed Veileds and how his male had lived 10years.

All 3 females were housed in a fairly large mesh cage. What bothered me was that they had one bulb the supposedly put out out heat AND uvb. Ive never heard of it but do know the dangers of coil uvb. Anyone know if these are safe?

Here is my second concern...I grilled him with questions and he said the females have a basking spot of 92...and they only get calcium one time a week. He was feeding them silkworms as well as crickets. I thought females are supposed to be basking at 80-82? And that is not nearly enough calcium for growing babies...

Another concern is that all three females had one or both eyes closed. They seemed to be continuously washing their eyes with the lid closed. When I asked the "expert" he said they all had "eye caps." Irritation from shedding and that ALL CHAMELEONS experience this...is that true? I thought only snakes had that problem...

Finally all three girls seemed plump....which at first I thought was a sign of health...but after getting home and researching this I found out that female Veileds can develop eggs as young as 4 months old if kept too hot and given too much food.

I ended up buying the biggest girl they had...in hopes that her eyes would clear up once I got her away from the pet store lights. She seems better, but still constantly closes her left eye and swishes it around as if there is something in there. I have been giving her really long warm misting showers to help clear the eyes...any other suggestions on what to do?

Long story short I am wondering if I made a really bad decision bringing her home. I plan to put down a lay box later today but would be pretty upset if she is egg bound at only 7months. She weighs 92 grams and is 5 inches snout to vent.

The reason I purchased her with my doubts is because she is a beautiful blue green (does not show in pics) and has VERY friendly temperament. I also refuse to buy from big chain stores...so other then paying a crazy amount to have a Cham shipped to me I thought I might be able to make her healthy through the help of the experts on this site!

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You are correct on how to keep a female, not the shop owner. It's possible that the light may have damaged her eyes. The showers are great and hopefully with your special care she will come around in a few day.

Do you have a new UVB light on her now? If so I'd move it 8 to 10 inches away from her basking spot.

She's fat and with the high temps and over feeding it's possible that she could be gravid. I'm going to attach a couple of my links for you to check out and hopefully they will be helpful.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/jannb/345-egg-laying-laying-bin.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html
 
Lights that produce heat and UVB are probably mercury vapor bulbs. The better brands do a fantastic job of both, so if that's what the shop owner said, I agree. And as for a 92 degree basking spot, I also see no problems with that... for *most* animals. Most will thermoregulate themselves just like if put outdoors. That said, I've had my share of those that just wouldn't get out of the heat even when gasping. Seems to be the exception to the rule, but it does happen. I wouldn't condemn that pet store just yet based on that. The closed eyes are another matter. Google reptile keratoconjunctivitis. I'd wager they were exposed to dangerous levels of UV radiation.
 
i have tried using a exoterra coil bulb on my bearded dragons and after 2 days of use my dragons eyes were completely shut (i was freaking out but knew it had to be lighting). i took the bulb away and presto a day later all was well again. not saying this is the case but a possibility.
 
Thank you for your answers. I dont know if this is relevant but the two boys from the same clutch of baby chams at the store has severely curved casques. And one of the males was half the size of all his clutch mates. I read this could be hereditary but I was wondering if there are other causes and maybe it can all be linked to the same problem...Females all bloated with eyes closed, males small with curved casques? Maybe im over thinking this...
 
So upset. :(

I took the over weight female Chameleon to see a vet today. At first he said that she looked pretty good overall, a tad overweight but not too bad. Turns out she lost 5 grams in 4 days. He suspected eggs, so took an x ray.

While viewing the results he said "I hope you are not too attached to this girl." She has a massive impaction (uncertain if its a collapsed egg or just hardened urate.) He told me that the most humane thing for this girl would be to have her euthanized. She is in pain and he does not see her being able to pass it on her own. He told me that if the pet store was willing to refund me and GIVE me the chameleon then he would operate on her for free. But told me the chances of her surviving were very close to none.

I took the Cham back to the pet store...unfortunately the reptile expert who sold the cham to me was not in. I received full refund, but was told they will not pay to have her taken to a vet. I was told the reptile expert would phone me when he got in, I left copies of the xrays for him....he never called.

Here are her x rays.

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Julia, I am so sorry about the female. I don't know anything about X-rays but I'll have my vet take a look at them. I bet the pet store will not give her any medical attention.....poor girl.
 
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