f. pardalis females, please post pictures

[Vegas Chad]

BTW- it's unlike me to jump in with somebody like this, in fact, I actually don't like Chad at all... (sorry Chad).

LMAO... I was about this close to spiting out the soda I am drinking all over my computer. So you mean to say that I am not invited to the BBQ? OK, I see how it is… I shall return to my obscurity.

Sheesh, must be a full moon or something… Never guessed a simple comment would spark such a debate…

 

[Vibrant Chameleons]

That is exactly what I meant Joe!

If an unmarked shipment were to come in with male panthers that were pink after a few sheds I would think that the local would be rather obvious or at least lend a *really* good guess as to what it is. Same thing with a really green/blue chameleon… Or whatever. The point that I was trying to make (which you said) is that even though females can look different from one another there is no tattoo on them that has what local they are… For example a Sambava usually has the nice U on its back. A female Sambava lacks this U, and looks a whole bunch like a Blue Bar female and that blue bar sure look’s like a Nosy Be too... Until I learn to speak chameleon I will never claim to know the local of ANY female just by looking at it. So in conclusion… They all look the same… HAHAHA

They all look the same to you maybe Chad, but they definitely don't to me. I may not be able to tell you what the locality of the female is but they dont LOOK the same.

 

[Chameleon Nation]

I feel that this is correct. All chameleons have their own traits, characteristics, and features. Although some do look almost identical. For instance I bought a few females when they were about two months old. For the first 4 months I couldn't tell the difference for the life of me. Now that they are throwing slightly different colors, and I see their activity each day, they are similar but different in coloration and personality.

Once again Joe, that's not what this thread is about as I clearly stated. You can take that comment whatever way you want to, but it is what it is. He made a statement saying every female is the same, which they are not.

Here's a question for you. Could you tell me where a specific CB MALE chameleon of whatever locale you want to identify came from? No you couldn't. Every panther chameleon is different in shape and or coloration.

 

[Vegas Chad]

They all look the same to you maybe Chad, but they definitely don't to me. I may not be able to tell you what the locality of the female is but they dont LOOK the same.

OK that’s it! Only one way to settle this… Ill see you at the flag pole after school! (which is a joke BTW)

You are more than welcome to your opinion as am I, that is one of the great things about living in free countries. I think they look the same (again, not totally the same, but for the sake of keeping to the topic at hand), and you don’t. Lets agree to disagree.

So how bout them Lakers!?!?!

 

[joefarah]

I'll say it once more. This thread was started to take a look at FEMALES of different locales. It wasn't started to see if someone could tell WHAT locale it IS. It was started to see the different colorations in FEMALES.

Ok, ok sorry... here's one.

Maybe one of you guys can look at it and tell me what locale it is

 

[Dankmeleon]

all of your arguements are valid in my opinion.

However, how do you account for offspring with well kept records, that came from extremely visually convincing f1 parents

Joe bashes the top chameleon breeders, but lets say you get a WC female that is gravid and she lays and you hatch her eggs...

lets say all of her eggs are extremely nice looking blue bar ambilobes on yellow background with red highlights....


Now you know that your wc female is a pretty pure ambilobe, with distinct blue bars, which probably couldn't be so unless your wc female, which you now know is an ambilobe was impregnated by a male that showed very similar characteristics, blue bar on yellow body ambilobe.

while you can't say for sure who the father was, you know that he must've been a nice blue bar ambilobe.... or else the offspring wouldn't be...and the same thing for the mother, if she produces perfect blue bar ambilobes, chances are very low she is anything but ambilobe, unless the differences between the locales was so slim it could pass

so now you have f1 CH offspring....

you can't say they are 100 percent ambilobe, but they are pretty damn pure, obviously if red body is your goal, you wouldn't consider them to be the great, but to a lot of people yellow body blue bar is a VERY desirable chameleon.....

now you go to another "top breeder"

who has similar clutch, and keeps good records....
whom you trust to rely on .... for a long time while your eggs incubate...

and you breed your f1 offspring with theres.... you have preserved genetics one step away from nature...and while they may not be 100 percent pure, neither is the wild locales interbreed on borders, they have to over the time of there existence....

and the chameleons you have produced are extremely nice, why complain? you have a fit species that has survived extreme temperatures pollution and capture....what more could you want?

 

[joefarah]

Joe, if you are so confident, I'd love to see you tell apart a Pure Nosy Be MALE and a Nosy Be/Ambanja cross. I'd put money on it that you'd be wrong 50% of the time. It's just a GUESS.

Dude, I'm with you on that. If you read some of my past posts you'll see that i'm an anti-purist. I always tell people that they can't say for sure if their cham is a cross or "pure" just by looking at it. I'm not sure of your point. I would never claim to be able to peer into a chams genes by looking at its colors and pattern.

 

[Vibrant Chameleons]

OK that’s it! Only one way to settle this… Ill see you at the flag pole after school! (which is a joke BTW)

You are more than welcome to your opinion as am I, that is one of the great things about living in free countries. I think they look the same (again, not totally the same, but for the sake of keeping to the topic at hand), and you don’t. Lets agree to disagree.

So how bout them Lakers!?!?!

I'll agree to disagree. That's fair lol.

Also, I'm sure we will disagree on the Lakers/Celts too as I'm a huge Celts fan haha

 

[SoCaliSon]

LOL... Furcifer Racism... All those Pardalis girls look the same!

So how bout them Lakers!?!?!

WoooHoo LAKERS!
We need to get Magic and Bird to come from the old folks home and make a guest appearnace on the benches for this series... That would be awesome...

 

[Vibrant Chameleons]

Dude, I'm with you on that. If you read some of my past posts you'll see that i'm an anti-purist. I always tell people that they can't say for sure if their cham is a cross or "pure" just by looking at it. I'm not sure of your point. I would never claim to be able to peer into a chams genes by looking at its colors and pattern.

My point is, even if they look like something, they could be something else regardless of the sex of the chameleon.

 

[Vegas Chad]

I'll agree to disagree. That's fair lol.

Also, I'm sure we will disagree on the Lakers/Celts too as I'm a huge Celts fan haha

Woo Hoo, something we agree on! I hate the Lakers and that damn Koby; Bird is my all time fave so I am really pulling for the Celts! But that is a topic for a different thread. Edit... SoCal, that would be awesome! Take out Koby, add in Magic and toss Bird in. That would be a fun game to watch. Though I dont even really watch basketball that much now that I think about it. More of a football guy myself.

 

[Kent67]

The problem with saying anything is "pure" or locality-specific is that they are anything but. This implies that you know exactly where they came from, which nobody does. You can only guess a general region. It's not like these animals are only hanging out inside towns. There's plenty of open space where they exist. So what do you call animals that were collected halfway between Ambilobe and Sirama? Or Sirama and Antsiranana?

If you have a bunch of captive hatched babies from a female that was gravid upon import that all have a distinctive look, all you can say is that they match the Ambilobe-type coloration, not that you know where they are from.

 

[Justin Carl]

This thread is going to fast for me to keep up!
Every time I refresh their are like 5 new posts.
Female panther.....ummmm...blah
Female Veileds win!

 

[Kent67]

Oh, and thanks for all the compliments of Soca. I'll hopefully have some of her babies available later this year.

 

[joefarah]

The problem with saying anything is "pure" or locality-specific is that they are anything but. This implies that you know exactly where they came from, which nobody does. You can only guess a general region. It's not like these animals are only hanging out inside towns. There's plenty of open space where they exist. So what do you call animals that were collected halfway between Ambilobe and Sirama? Or Sirama and Antsiranana?

If you have a bunch of captive hatched babies from a female that was gravid upon import that all have a distinctive look, all you can say is that they match the Ambilobe-type coloration, not that you know where they are from.

Thank you... the fact that there aren't distinct lines (except maybe around islands) is just one of many many problems with thinking of panthers as having distinct "pure" locales.

although, as i'm sure we'll be reminded... that's not the topic of this thread...

 

[Vibrant Chameleons]

Thank you... the fact that there aren't distinct lines (except maybe around islands) is just one of many many problems with thinking of panthers as having distinct "pure" locales.

although, as i'm sure we'll be reminded... that's not the topic of this thread...

It really wasn't the topic of this thread. Maybe post a poll or something to see how many people think they can tell the different female locales apart

 

[Kent67]

although, as i'm sure we'll be reminded... that's not the topic of this thread...

Since accuracy of information is paramount to this site, I think it will probably be ok.

 

[Glittergloomgirl]

Well does anyone at least possibly have a female that may look similar to mine? So I have an idea, if maybe she could be ambilobe? The breeder I got her from was SHADY!

Thanks Derrick She is pretty and she is getting better all the time....

 

[Dankmeleon]

well maybe we should go to madagascar and find out!

 

[Vibrant Chameleons]

well maybe we should go to madagascar and find out!

The dream trip for everyone in this forum