Export Suspension on Tanz 3-horns Lifted?

Kent67

Kent67

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Hey all, I just noticed the 2009 CITES quotas allow 500 wild-caught specimens of each of the three-horned species from Tanzania and that a shipment of WC CH. (T.) deremensis and Ch. (T.) jacksonii merumontanus was up for sale now. Does anyone know if population studies were actually conducted that quickly?
 
I'd like to see some of those come in (inexpensively), too. They usually come from Uganda, though.
 
I just noticed that you said Tanz(Tanzania). DOH!
I know they are from Uganda and Congo. Most of the animals coome from Uganda though.
I really want one of these guys.
 
Justin Carl said:
I just noticed that you said Tanz(Tanzania). DOH!
I know they are from Uganda and Congo. Most of the animals coome from Uganda though.
I really want one of these guys.
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Justin,

There will be some coming in in the next couple of weeks. You can contact me if you're serious about buying.

Cam
 
Ok Cameron B, your PM's are full and can't send you one till you clear some, so I'll say this here. I am looking for specifically (2) female Fisher fisheri, Chamelons, Are you able from your post above, get these?
 
Thanks for this, Kent. Very interesting... I saw the ad the minute it was posted, and when I saw the photos of the animals available I knew they couldn't be F1s, so I immediately went on to CITES to check the quotas and the 2009 list hadn't been published yet.

Very intriguing, indeed. With the problems I've had to face acclimating wild merumontanus over the years, I'm still waiting for the next shipment of F1s.

Cheers,

Fabián
 
merumontanus said:
Thanks for this, Kent. Very interesting... I saw the ad the minute it was posted, and when I saw the photos of the animals available I knew they couldn't be F1s, so I immediately went on to CITES to check the quotas and the 2009 list hadn't been published yet.

Very intriguing, indeed. With the problems I've had to face acclimating wild merumontanus over the years, I'm still waiting for the next shipment of F1s.

Cheers,

Fabián
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Fabián,

How many of them do you have now? Have you had any breeding success?

The F1 shipments are almost here, but I'm curious to hear your experiences with them! :)
 
Cameron B said:
Fabián,

How many of them do you have now? Have you had any breeding success?

The F1 shipments are almost here, but I'm curious to hear your experiences with them! :)
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Hey Cameron,

First of all, congratulations on your rudis success! Fantastic photographs and animals.

I heard the F1s were coming in-- I look forward to acquiring at least a pair of merumontanus. I raised a couple of captive-born (not bred) clutches a couple of years ago but each of them perished, one by one, for no apparent reason, as it is often the case. One of my adult, imported, long-term pairs finally copulated (I'm going to try to find a video I shot of the copulation), and that was the only clutch that survived to adulthood. Unfortunately, I had to surplus almost my entire collection due to personal circumstances and only kept my oldest, most spectacular male... who finally also perished recently.

In the meantime, I've been raising a clutch of deremensis for the last several months as I prepare to reestablish my merumontanus group, this time, primarily made up of F1 specimens. In my experience, working with wild-collected jacksonii is not only frustratingly challenging but also extremely expensive, and should be avoided whenever an alternative exists, such as now with the availability of F1 specimens.

Cheers,

Fabián

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merumontanus said:
Hey Cameron,

First of all, congratulations on your rudis success! Fantastic photographs and animals.

I heard the F1s were coming in-- I look forward to acquiring at least a pair of merumontanus. I raised a couple of captive-born (not bred) clutches a couple of years ago but each of them perished, one by one, for no apparent reason, as it is often the case. One of my adult, imported, long-term pairs finally copulated (I'm going to try to find a video I shot of the copulation), and that was the only clutch that survived to adulthood. Unfortunately, I had to surplus almost my entire collection due to personal circumstances and only kept my oldest, most spectacular male... who finally also perished recently.

In the meantime, I've been raising a clutch of deremensis for the last several months as I prepare to reestablish my merumontanus group, this time, primarily made up of F1 specimens. In my experience, working with wild-collected jacksonii is not only frustratingly challenging but also extremely expensive, and should be avoided whenever an alternative exists, such as now with the availability of F1 specimens.

Cheers,

Fabián
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Fabián,

Thanks for the cheers. :) I can certainly understand your frustration with non-apparent deaths. I think anyone whose had montanes in general can sympathize, but even more so those with liveborn species.

You've shown some nice photos here, and I'm happy you've shared your experiences with them! Do you have any idea why your nice male ended up passing away as well? Old age maybe, or did you notice things going wrong towards the end?

How do you like the deremensis? I've often liked their neonate colorations, and wish they'd always stay that nice blue they get!
 
Cameron B said:
Fabián,

Thanks for the cheers. :) I can certainly understand your frustration with non-apparent deaths. I think anyone whose had montanes in general can sympathize, but even more so those with liveborn species.

You've shown some nice photos here, and I'm happy you've shared your experiences with them! Do you have any idea why your nice male ended up passing away as well? Old age maybe, or did you notice things going wrong towards the end?

How do you like the deremensis? I've often liked their neonate colorations, and wish they'd always stay that nice blue they get!
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Cameron,

The male's necropsy did not reveal anything substantial-- most likely, the death was the result of old age. I acquired it as an adult and it remained under my care for almost 3 years.

The deremensis are a fascinating species, and one I have found to be surprisingly hardy, provided their most basic requirements are met-- cool temperatures and lots of water. Apart from that, the only other challenge has been to prevent overfeeding as they seem to want to eat regardless of what or how much is offered. The captive-hatched Usambaras have been a treat to raise, and they have definitely become one of my favorite species. I was glad to see the species export quotas limited to F1 specimens last year. Until prior to the suspension, adults were being sold from as little as $35 each here in the US, so it's about time they were taken a bit more seriously, which usually requires a increase in price, and why I was surprised to see them back on the export quotas.

Fabián
 
Where do you view the updated quotas? Does anyone know when shipments are coming in from different countries (Madagascar, Tanzania, etc.) or is it just sort of random. In other words, are there planned out schedules throughout the year?..
 
Eric Adrignola said:
Yeha - I checked last night, and the quotas are for just under 100 F1s, and 500 WC deremensis
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Hehe... I just noticed your "edit" comment. I was mostly referring to proper capitalization of nomenclature during my rant the other day-- not so much their italicization or underlining; I can live with that :)

You just made my day.

Fabián
 
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