cohabiting feeders.

leedragon

Chameleon Enthusiast
So I am lazy asshole but also paranoid about my chameleons. Wonder If I can keep walking sticks with chameleons, raising them in the same cage. Chameleon will eat the right size ones, so thats right. But would the big ones bite the chameleon during the night? like crickets or grasshoppers? There is plants they can eat there and walking sticks will eat eachother if they have enough food. So any experinces?
 
Like a stick bug?? Not too sure about them but I know that crickets and some other feeders left in the enclosure could end up biting your chameleon at night. I remember getting advice about having a dedicated feeding area/bug runner so they're contained and don't get loose in the enclosure. Some bugs will eat the poop from chameleons and isn't healthy for the chams. I hand feed my dude 90% of the time and I use those days to build trust with him.
 
My protocol to feeding Walking Sticks to chameleons was only put them inside a chameleons enclosure when feeding (similar to Grasshoppers and Mantis). If the chameleon was not hungry I would put the Walking Stick insect back in the Walking Stick insect breeding colonies terrarium. That worked for me for years.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich
 
Good news bad news
Good news, unlike crickets etc, the sticks are 100% herbivores and will not nom nom the chameleon(or each other) if they run out of food
Bad news is they may damage the plants in the cage too much.
 
Good news bad news
Good news, unlike crickets etc, the sticks are 100% herbivores and will not nom nom the chameleon(or each other) if they run out of food
Bad news is they may damage the plants in the cage too much.
Only put Walking Sticks in the chameleons enclosure when feeding the Walking Sticks out. That is going to calm your never about chameleons getting bit (or other mishaps) and save your plants.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich
 
I put a little bradypodion in a large outdoor cage with thick bramble inside. Let walking sticks go on the inside. Adult sticks active at night, baby sticks - Bradypodion snack size -active during the day. I have no idea how well it worked as I couldn't monitor anything due to it being large outdoor enclosure. But, in theory, it was genius.
 
Only put Walking Sticks in the chameleons enclosure when feeding the Walking Sticks out. That is going to calm your never about chameleons getting bit (or other mishaps) and save your plants.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

I put a little bradypodion in a large outdoor cage with thick bramble inside. Let walking sticks go on the inside. Adult sticks active at night, baby sticks - Bradypodion snack size -active during the day. I have no idea how well it worked as I couldn't monitor anything due to it being large outdoor enclosure. But, in theory, it was genius.
Putting Walking Sticks in an enclosure only when feeding a chameleon is a precaution. Similar to taking the big hopping legs off Schistocerca grasshoppers when feeding to a chameleon and only feeding Mantis to a chameleon while supervised. I would not want one of my chameleons to get a giant Walking Stick foot/leg to the eye.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich
 
I’d say no for various reasons. Phasmids are extremely prolific, insatiably hungry, and don’t respect personal boundaries. If they don’t decimate the foliage and escape to every corner of your house, they’ll still drive your cham crazy with tickle torture.

The larger species (green beans, aussies) may be a bit of a risks in terms of biting but i’s be more concerned about injuring the cham due to their size and insane grip.

Even raising phasmids in independent enclosures can be a challenge in regard to food, escapees, and discarded materials, but that’s the route I’d go for sure.

Now mantids? Release the horde!!!! Everyone feasts until there is only one victor left - and I hope its the cham (jk)
 
That is an amazingly fantastical imagination you have. But, best to be safe, right!
After all the years you have never had a feeder insect chameleon eye issue? I have had chameleon eye issues from feeders once or twice. Removing the spikey legs is second nature to me now especially from the genus Schistocerca, Mantis, and Walking Sticks. This is a different topic, however large formidable legs could cause ingestion problems too.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich
 
After all the years you have never had a feeder insect chameleon eye issue? I have had chameleon eye issues from feeders once or twice. Removing the spikey legs is second nature to me now especially from the genus Schistocerca, Mantis, and Walking Sticks. This is a different topic, however large formidable legs could cause ingestion problems too.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich
Jeremy, There needs to be some middle ground between not acknowledging the dangers of feeder insects and having a chameleon and stick insects co-habitation in a large enclosure - that is obviously large enough to grow enough of a bramble to support multiple walking sticks. You have been here way too long to not be able to work with a sense of nuance. Me sharing a fun thing I did is not "beginner policy" and has never shown up in my advice to anyone. But, by chance, someone whose name I recognize - which means they have been around long enough to have perspective and understand where I am coming from -asks the exact question that I experimented with. Now, if you are truly concerned that this will lead someone astray, ask what species of walking stick....ask the cage set-up...where there separate perching branches from the bamble providing different areas to exist?..and, while we are at it - isn't bramble throny? Is that a good idea? So many more important things to ask before you get to the dangers of a walking stick poking his eye out in his sleep.

I did this for years in an attempt to see if it could work. There was no injury to the chameleons involved. Could there have been? Well, I had a chameleon, in a totally different situation, die from swallowing a leaf and not able to get the entire thing in. He died with the leaf half in his stomach and half still hanging out his mouth. So, shall I run around telling people about the dangers of live plants? There is always danger. The key is to be able to have perspective as to which of these dangers rise to the level of discussion.

Now, I imagine someone may argue that I was negligent because I did not give the entire story and enough details and someone may dump a bag of walking sticks in with their chameleon in their new Chameleon Kit. I will acknowledge that. But, doesn't there come a point where we can have these more nuanced discussions?

Imagine planting some bramble in your greenhouse. For the sake of your hands, get the thornless variety. Let it take over a side. Prune it so it doesn't get out of hand, And with a branch structure above the bramble how much danger do you think a chameleon would be in of getting its eyes poked out in their sleep? The danger is never zero for anything, but how worried are you? I am betting you would still be cautious. And that is fine. We will just have to have different comfort levels with the possibilities.

To answer your question - Yes, I am well aware of damage that feeder insects can have to chameleons. I have talked about it before in detail and in length.
 
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