Another viv with dendrobium and sage another male ambilobe
That is beautiful! What are the dimensions of the viv? Also, what kind of nepenthes is it, do you know?@Calummaty Jane
I don't keep the sundews and butterworts in my enclosure, they sit on a windowsill next to my enclosure. I'm sure I could make it work, but I'd be worried about the chams getting into a gooey mess lol. I have one nepenthes growing in the center of my parsons enclosure though, I also have bromeliads growing at the top of the enclosure out of some branches, and jeweled orchids down In the substrate(because they like low light). I use 6500k jungle dawn megaspotts alongside the t5ho and t8 5000k LEDS(I use t8s sometimes when it's too hot in the summer for t5s). The watering takes some strategizing with your substrate, I also use a lot of epiphytes. A lot of sand in the substrate helps drainage. I'll post some pictures of my jeweled orchids, broms, and nepenthes in my one enclosure. I drilled holes in the log at the top and put the ends of the bromeliads in, over time they anchored on and have been throwing tons of pups. Right now the growth has stalled a bit since temps are down to 50s for brumation with lower lighting and water, but in the summer it takes off. My nepenthes threw off like 5 monster pitchers in a couple months of being in there.
Yes!!!!! I looooooove the weird bulbophyllums! Is this one B. fascinator, by chance? Does it have a bad smell? I guess if chams don't have sensitive noses, it all works out well. I didn't know the anti-cancer thing about dendrobiums. I assume they have to be eaten to help with that?
We have a cat and a dog and there is absolutely no problem. I would say with a proper setup you should have no concerns.
Yes, this woman keeps her reptiles in a gigantic indoor garden. I don't know what she does with the chameleons, but she is an experienced uroplatus breeder and researcher--she co-authored the "bible" of the genus, afterall--so she must know her stuff, but I guess her space is large enough that geckos and chams easily stay out of each other's way, no problem. Or maybe it's just luck and magic that has kept her geckos alive.Housing geckos and chams together is a bad idea if you plan on keeping the geckos, the geckos would have to be nocturnal that would literally have to hide under rocks during the day, chameleons are very very territorial and alpha (aggressive) and will protect their domain with tenacity!! The smaller viv I have is 24 x 24 x 45 and houses a male, I ponder that beiing too small, time will tell
It is ~about 4 feet wide x 4 feet tall x 2 feet deep. Just a large atrium dragonstrand, very nice enclosure. My buddy and I build a stand to fit it and hold 2 feet deep of substrate and drainage leading out the back door of the house. Enclosure is actually small for those species, but he's still young. By next year I will want to have something built at least twice as large. The plan is to have a living wall, planted substrate, and maybe even a well-filtered stream going through it just for the fun of it. Sorry I can't remember which nepenthes it is, I have a few and stupidly removed the labels.That is beautiful! What are the dimensions of the viv? Also, what kind of nepenthes is it, do you know?
I'd be interested in doing a planted wall in a large enough viv, with butterworts, sundews and cephalotus planted on the side. If the viv was wide enough, branches and stuff could be moved away from the wall enough to keep the cham from having regular contact with the dewey carnivore plants.
Yes everyone is keeping all 3 in the same enclosure. I'm pretty sure in the care sheets it says the recommend size for a medium sized dog, small cat, and a Petco sized veiled is one zoo med reptibreeze chameleon kit.Giving people advice of Keeping dogs cats and chameleons together is great!!
The lady with the uroplatus geckos and chams living together isn't someone I know--she's a co-author of a recommended book on uroplatus. The book doesn't talk about chams at all, so no specification as to which chams she keeps with her geckos, but the enclosure they all live in is the size of a large room. I was just curious if anyone here had heard of, or had themselves attempted keeping noctural reptile species with their chameleons.It is ~about 4 feet wide x 4 feet tall x 2 feet deep. Just a large atrium dragonstrand, very nice enclosure. My buddy and I build a stand to fit it and hold 2 feet deep of substrate and drainage leading out the back door of the house. Enclosure is actually small for those species, but he's still young. By next year I will want to have something built at least twice as large. The plan is to have a living wall, planted substrate, and maybe even a well-filtered stream going through it just for the fun of it. Sorry I can't remember which nepenthes it is, I have a few and stupidly removed the labels.
As for the geckos, mixing species is a touchy subject. What you'll hear a lot is "if you have to ask, dont do it!". Chams are very territorial and get angry at even the sight of some insects let alone other lizards. I do know people with large patio sized arrangements(like 20 feet wide). In the right circumstances a lot is possible, but for 99% of keepers without the space or experience it's not recommended. The person you know with multiple chameleons, do they happen to be melleri? They are very large, and have some special requirements, but are the only chams besides pygmies to thrive in groups(that I know of). It's also important to consider thriving vs surviving. Many people have had animals survive for years, but that doesn't mean it was thriving. Not saying one way or another in this case, just tossing that out there. And I plan to add mourning geckos to my enclosure one day, but as food
In your original post you stated you were leaning toward a panther. Why not get a smaller species such as the carpet chameleon, F. lateralis. I've got a pair in two 18"x18"x24" Exo-Terra planted bio setups. They sit side by side on the third shelf from the floor at 45" on a shelving unit that measures 18"x42"x72".
I also have a cat and dog and they don't even attempt jumping that high. Plus you have glass enclosures which are great at holding the humidity required for chameleons and plants.
Check out the pics from Frank Payne in the Chameleons For Sale forum.