Supposed animal lovers like you make me sick
Then go throw up!! OMG!!! If you are that pissed at something I said, then I'm sorry you feel that way Janet. But just because you can stomp on a chameleon doesn't mean everyone can. The OP can't bring himself to do it either. Jus sayin... Euthanizing an animal is a bit different than stomping its brains out like you are suggesting.. Sure it might be super quick and super painless.... but not everyone can do it. If they could, then this thread wouldn't exist. I have a HUGE heart for animals. Just because I may or may not do something that you don't agree with, doesn't give you the right to call me a "supposed animal lover". You have no idea how many animals I've cared for in my life. I had a cat show up on my mom's doorstep when I was about 13 or 14. It had been hit by a car, and its front-right leg was so badly torn, there was no way it would ever heal. It's stomach was quite crushed and you could see it had broken ribs. The cat was barely alive.... how it knew to come to a front step, I don't know. I'm thinkin it was dropped off by someone, so the cat knew what a house was and that maybe we could help. My parents wanted to kill the cat. Take it out back the country way and shoot it with a .22 rifle. We had done that before with other cats. But me, being the "supposed animal lover" that I am, convinced my mom and dad to drop over $1000 on that cat and take it to the vet. They did surgery on it, fixing the ribs, and they amputated the front-right leg. I could of went with my parents' decision to kill the cat, but with me NOT CARING SOOOOOO MUCH about animals.... I cried my little heart out until they agreed to take it to the vet. Which saved its life by the way. That cat lived many many years after that and we called him Tripod.
I also had a neighbor who abused their dogs who lived down the road from me. There was a momma dog and she had a doghouse with no roof, on a very short chain. Barely ever got fed... you could see the ribs. This dog ended up getting knocked up by a wandering dog from another neighbor, and it ended up having puppies. He barely fed the puppies either, and they ALL lived in a TINY LITTLE doghouse with no roof. Looked like that dog house had been around since 3000 B.C. ....... My neighbor Joe Slocum lived right across the street from them and told me what was going on and how bad the pups were kept. So, my brother and I decided to take action. We snuck down the road one night at like 3 in the morning, while it was raining, and we stole all 5 puppies, and the mom. They were not fed well and not in the greatest condition..... but we managed to get all the dogs to follow us home. We kept them out back in a shed that we stored firewood in, and we fed them and cleaned them and everything was great.... One day, the mom and a few pups got loose after we were letting them play in the yard a bit (as we did this one day a week, only in the back yard, to avoid detection).... They ended up in the front yard at one point because none were fenced in or chained up, and so conveniently, the neighbor who originally had the dogs saw that momma dog and some pups in our yard as he was coming home one day. He drove down to our house and threw 3 of the puppies in his truck, tied a chain to that momma Lab, and held the chain out the window as he drove off and dragged her all the way down the road about a quarter of a mile back to his house. He literally DRAGGED THE DOG home. It had severe road rash. He ended up shooting the dog. He then came back the next day and wanted to know where the other pups were. Said he was going to call the cops on us for stealing if we didn't give them back. I lied to him and said they ran off and that I didn't know. He ended up leaving.
Me and my brother kept those last two black labs in that wood shed for a year or more. We left the sliding door on the wood shed open at all times so they could roam in and out of the shed on their 30 foot leashes. We took them off the leash and walked them a few times a week out back in the field. We kept them a super secret. We loved those dogs. We only kept them hidden for so long because we feared for their safety. Their names were Buddy and Angel. After about a year, we stopped keeping them cooped up in the shed. We let them roam free, all the time. The neighbor apparently never recognized them all grown up, or didn't care. Because those dogs, just like the Tripod cat, lived many many years after we rescued them. They grew to be very nice, very healthy dogs, all because me and my brother Cody risked getting arrested to save them.
I've rescued frogs from the wild. I've taken in a gerbil from a friend once. I saved a hummingbird once who couldn't fly right by giving it a cage and a small hummingbird feeder to use while it healed so it wouldn't die in the wild...... Shall I give those stories as well?
So don't you DARE think you know
anything about me or the kind of person I am and the heart I have for humans and animals alike, all because you don't agree with something I said. You really have no idea Janet.
Here's a picture of what happens in the wild. Don't you think this little anole would have preferred to have someone stomp it and kill it before it even registered anything was happening to it than to be chomped up, crushed, broken and swallowed alive to live how long in this chameleon's stomach? Supposed animal lovers like you make me sick. You close your eyes and pretend you didn't make a decision at all, that is isn't happening because you close your eyes to what you do and then make it as cruel as possible.
I'm sure the anole would have preferred to die quick and painlessly. Did you weep for it too? Not trying to be an ass here, but lay off me! For real. You can't save every animal in the world. The circle of life is just that, the circle of life. In the wild, a blind chameleon would be a gonner by day 2 if not by day 1. Do you weep for the insects that you feed your chameleon? You mentioned how the anole might live in the chameleon's stomach for a while... what about insects? They are living breathing things too. Do they suddenly not count because they are food for your pet and you have no connection with them? You also mentioned how your chickens can eat all the scorpions they want, but you want them to leave the frogs and the snakes alone....... So now you can CHOOSE what gets to die and what doesn't? How is a wild scorpion different than a frog or snake? What about people who have pet scorpions.... shall they take offense to that, like you take offense to what I said? You're the only one here taking offense to anything anyone is saying, first with the OP's decision to keep it and you grinded them for it and told them they will probably certainly fail or prolong a certain death (way to be supportive on their hard decision they made there
), and now, you're grinding me, for something I said!!! Like I said before, the circle of life happens, and it goes on, whether you want it to or not. You can't play God. So why do you try to protect all the snakes and the frogs? You DO realize that they probably get eaten anyways when you turn your back? It's inevitable, because like I said, the circle of life goes on, whether you want it to or not.
The above is in direct response to the Trickedoutbiker's "solution" of just allowing the animal kingdom to do the dirty work pretending that "letting it go" is not a decision and somehow kinder than a quick and painless death. Death by predation is not usually quick and is most certainly painful and very stressful.
I
never once stated that letting it go was not a decision. It certainly
is a decision. Maybe not the right one, I never said it was did I? But who's to judge? Just as most of us think that keeping the chameleon alive isn't the
right decision, it didn't stop the OP from making that call now did it? And you grinded his ass for it! I also
never once stated that it would be kinder to let it go into the wild than a quick and painless death, I only stated that I would pray it didn't suffer. Now you are putting words in my mouth and assuming things. When you ASS-U-ME things, you make an ASS out of U and ME. I certainly know that death by nature is probably a little painful and stressful. I accept that.
Have you not seen birds tear animals apart, living animals, piece by piece? Gee, nice thing to wish on a baby chameleon.
You ever watch the Nature Channel or National Geographic Janet? You see lions rip apart zebras, hyenas tearing apart hippos, so on and so forth. THAT'S PART OF LIFE. Do I wish that on a chameleon by a bird or a snake or something? Absolutely not! I never said I did. I said I WOULD PRAY IT DIDN'T SUFFER. If there was no suffering and no animals eating other animals, there wouldn't be a planet. The quicker you realize that, the better. Do I sound cruel? Maybe, and I absolutely do apologize if I do. But to be honest.... stomping on a chameleon sounds a little cruel too. Just because it may be "humane" to you, doesn't mean it's feasible for someone else to do.
I remember hitting a rabbit with my car. I went back and found the poor little bunny gurgling and dying. I knew I had to dispatch this little rabbit. I backed my car up and positioned my front wheel right beside the bunny's head. I was on a steep hill. All I had to do was just put my foot on the clutch and allow the car to roll over the bunny's head. I couldn't. I sat there on that dark country road balling my eyes out, disgusted with myself for not being able to do the right thing. A man drove up to ask if I needed help and offered to do it for me. I left after he promised to dispatch that bunny quickly and humanely. To this day almost 40 years later I am guilt ridden that I was unable to do the right thing.
How long did you sit on that road while the rabbit suffered, just wondering? Was it minutes? An hour?
IT was mangled and bloody already, but still alive, and you just let it sit there, helpless, suffering, because you couldn't do the "right thing" ...... So if you can let a MANGLED rabbit sit there, crushed and suffering because you were unable to do "the right thing" then what gives you the audacity to sit here and ream my ass for anything? How do you know if the man even killed the rabbit after you left or not? Maybe it suffered for hours, or even days on that road because maybe he couldn't do it either and was only trying to console you. Ever think about that? At least if I WAS to let a blind chameleon into the wild to let nature take its course, it wouldn't go into nature all bloody and suffering. Again, not trying to be mean here, I'm just trying to make a point. You can't protect them all and you can't play God. You just can't. You let that bug you now 40 years later..... it's the circle of life J. You made a decision. Just like anyone would. A decision, whether right or wrong, is still a decision nonetheless. People are all different and what may be okay to one person may not feel right to another, hence the OP's inability to kill the chameleon. Even if I had it as my own and let it go into the wild... I NEVER said I wouldn't feel bad about it. I would... I said I might cry and might get sick. Just like you felt about the rabbit. But you made that decision and moved on.......
So regardless of what the OP would do, or what I may or may not do, lets all just move on. I honestly don't know what I would do in a situation like that because I've never had a blind chameleon. I really honestly don't know. I MIGHT let it go, I MIGHT crush it.... or heck, I might even be the one trying to make it live a while. Who knows. So please..... get off my case about what I said okay? I was simply making another suggestion just like anyone else here.
Lets all just give our best wishes to the OP and be done with it.
Anyway, baby is still alive. Force feeding is difficult but still useful. For this week in streets, I saw how people can hurt other people, how can they kill a person by beating them. I saw how easy to take a life from someone. So now you want me to kill a little baby chameleon. I can kill it dozens of times. I can give it to predator birds from balcony. But I didn't. It is all about what do you expect from this hobby. For me, I have never expected to kill a little chameleon for its disability. I really understand how you look at this situation. You want me to think with my brain not my heart but believe me this is not a decision by made from heart.
Amen.
