She was talking about Bill's list, which has veiled-tested plants on it, unlike other lists.
The lists I mentioned have that information if one only reads what they say beyond plant names.
"Veiled tested" is not a definitive term without risk, and Bill
wisely includes disclaimers.
As many of you know, I label the plants that have been recorded as being eaten by a Veiled (or panther sometimes) chameleon with no side effects or poisoning symptoms.
Although we have yet to see plant poisoning in chameleons, it is prudent to allow that it can exist.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q="veiled+tested"+chameleon+academy
Chocolate is well-known to be poisonous to dogs, yet many dogs have eaten it without side effects or poisoning symptoms. Others have become seriously ill and/or (albeit rarely) have died. There are factors of amounts, concentrations, body weight ratios, sex, individual sensitivities, and others.
Because Bill isn't aware of a veiled chameleon suffering ill effect from eating a particular plant doesn't mean that it hasn't happened or couldn't happen. It only means he hasn't heard of it.
Another unknown is long-term effects. Necropsies are not routinely done on pet chameleons, so nobody knows if some of the plants they eat are having long-term deleterious effects on their organs, and if they died months later, there's no way to make a positive connection.
I'm not saying any of this to cast shade on Bill's "veiled tested" notation. My intent is to point out that it's a "best guess" based on known (to him) data, and subject to change without notice should he become aware of incidents.
Unfortunately, barring some expensive and lengthy veterinarian toxicological and/or pathological studies on poisoning in chameleons (none of which I am aware of) it's the best we have to go on.
I'm worried about the wrong info Chameleon School is giving out, not arguing about plants
Yes, but that drifted with the very first response, and you continued along that line with post #3 adding criticisms that apply to any/all lists out there (AFAIK) including Bill's and Petr's.
I'm not aware of Chameleon School's giving out wrong information (vs. difference of opinion), but I've found no wrong information about their plant list.
It's obvious from starting this thread that you have
some beef with them, but you haven't given any concrete examples—only insinuations. Some might construe that as trolling; the few responses you've given
aside from the plant list ("So sad", "I noticed that!", "Which ones?") seem to have done no more than spurring on attacks/criticisms.
I don't
think that was your intent in singling out this site, but other than the plant list—which you've said isn't the issue—you haven't elucidated. What—specifically—have they said that's gotten under your skin?
The guy says he's passing along what he's learned in order to share it with other keepers. Isn't that what people do here? Aren't there contradictions and differences of opinion? He's also got a comments area at the bottom of each article—
as many/most magazine-style sites do—for anyone to disagree or open a dialog with him.
Have you not seen the threads with dying chams even threads where we have provided direct feedback prior but they do not make the changes we say???? I mean lets be honest about 25% are going to read everything, 25% are going to read half of the info, 25% are going to skim through, and then you have the 25% that will look at the pictures...
