I don't want to get off topic so I'll just post this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_imaging
Chameleon has weird growth?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_imaging
justjumpit621
New Member
oh no I mean why would someone do that to a picture of their chameleon and make it look weirder than it already does? The op hasn't even responded yet either.
The cham probably just moved between the multiple images. Probably wasn't intentionally trying to make it look like that.
Elizadolots
New Member
PolarBear, can you post a traditional picture of your chameleon? I'm sure this was intended to provide clarity, but it has, instead, caused some confusion.
Solid Snake, can I ask you why you believe that is a broken rib? Have you had experience with that in the past?
My first instinct was, as Trace says, that something weird was ingested. Well, okay, that was my second instinct...my first instinct involved cringing and gagging.....
Solid Snake, can I ask you why you believe that is a broken rib? Have you had experience with that in the past?
My first instinct was, as Trace says, that something weird was ingested. Well, okay, that was my second instinct...my first instinct involved cringing and gagging.....
Solid Snake
Avid Member
Yes you may.
No I have not had any experience with such an issue with chameleons.
I will admit that my statement did sound overly knowledgeable, in that area.
I believe it to be a rib, because of the fact that the chameleon has a weakened bone structure, and what I know of chameleon anatomy.
While it may be a foreign object, I feel that it being a rib is much more likely.
Thats just my opinion though.
justjumpit621
New Member
Yes you may.
No I have not had any experience with such an issue with chameleons.
I will admit that my statement did sound overly knowledgeable, in that area.
I believe it to be a rib, because of the fact that the chameleon has a weakened bone structure, and what I know of chameleon anatomy.
While it may be a foreign object, I feel that it being a rib is much more likely.
Thats just my opinion though.
Yeah same here, but I guess if a foreign object got stuck it could shift sideways if it was pushed on, but not sure the likelihood of it, as well as being able to protrude through the rib cage.
Action Jackson
Chameleon Enthusiast
That picture is so jacked up I don't think I'd believe anything in it until the OP responds. Might just be trolling.
hello,
Sorry i have not replied since the original posting. The closest OPEN reptile vet to me was 2 hours away. We took him to the vet and the diagnosis was as follows:
Vet believed it to be a "free floating piece of debris" he said this because it could shift anywhere within his body. I asked him what to do and he said he could try and have it passed though him but he would suffer if it did not succesfully pass. He gave me two options, 1- wait and see if it would maybe go through (he figured he had done internal damage with the debris already) or 2- have him put down and out of pain (vet recommended)
He has since then been put out of pain.
I thank any one with any of the helpful post that they have contributed. I guess i missed out on some bashing of some sort of what i could make out. None the less I do not intend to harm my pets, I try to give them the best care i possibly can and help when i can.
Thank you.
PS- yes the photo is HDR, and yes he did move slightly when the photo was shot, hence the leg blur and tail distortion. Although the only part that was necessary at the time was the debris.
Sorry i have not replied since the original posting. The closest OPEN reptile vet to me was 2 hours away. We took him to the vet and the diagnosis was as follows:
Vet believed it to be a "free floating piece of debris" he said this because it could shift anywhere within his body. I asked him what to do and he said he could try and have it passed though him but he would suffer if it did not succesfully pass. He gave me two options, 1- wait and see if it would maybe go through (he figured he had done internal damage with the debris already) or 2- have him put down and out of pain (vet recommended)
He has since then been put out of pain.
I thank any one with any of the helpful post that they have contributed. I guess i missed out on some bashing of some sort of what i could make out. None the less I do not intend to harm my pets, I try to give them the best care i possibly can and help when i can.
Thank you.
PS- yes the photo is HDR, and yes he did move slightly when the photo was shot, hence the leg blur and tail distortion. Although the only part that was necessary at the time was the debris.
justjumpit621
New Member
Sorry to Hear that, poor guy
If you would ever like to try again with a chameleon, do research here on the forums and definitely give it another shot. Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone learns from them. If you decide to, make a post asking about the species you would like and what it requires for care and husbandry to help avoid issues again. They are quite an expensive pet to keep though so I would suggest if you do not have a lot of money to put towards one that you wait until you do I learned that the hard way.
Trillian
New Member
There wasn't any bashing, mostly just a little bickering that always happens on forums! I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, a horrible decision to make, but a necessary one.
I have to second what JJ says too, it says a lot about you as a responsible chameleon slave that you took him to a vet, many people don't. Give it another go when you feel ready, they are beautiful creatures, even if ridiculously high maintenance.
I have to second what JJ says too, it says a lot about you as a responsible chameleon slave that you took him to a vet, many people don't. Give it another go when you feel ready, they are beautiful creatures, even if ridiculously high maintenance.
Benton1576
New Member
Poor guy. It was probably for the best, hence the vet recommending it.
I dont understand how a foreign object of that size would get there. Surely, If it was a foreign object, then judging by the ammount of pressure on the skin there would be equal pressure on the other side, and looking at the angle, this would miss the ribs and poke out around the underbelly and look the same. Also, if it was something ingested, then would it have not ripped the stomach, or burst out of the intestines to get to that angle? Im not convinced it was something swallowed. It looks more like he was skewered from the other size but it hasnt poked through the skin on the side shown but theres no mention of any injury to the side we cant see. This just doesnt add up to me.
I dont understand how a foreign object of that size would get there. Surely, If it was a foreign object, then judging by the ammount of pressure on the skin there would be equal pressure on the other side, and looking at the angle, this would miss the ribs and poke out around the underbelly and look the same. Also, if it was something ingested, then would it have not ripped the stomach, or burst out of the intestines to get to that angle? Im not convinced it was something swallowed. It looks more like he was skewered from the other size but it hasnt poked through the skin on the side shown but theres no mention of any injury to the side we cant see. This just doesnt add up to me.
Miss Lily
Chameleon Enthusiast
You did the right thing taking him to the vets Polar Bear. We see a lot of sick chameleon photos on here, but this one saddened me more than usual such were the extent of it's issues. May the dear little soul rest in peace, free from pain. Sleep tight little one. Did the vet suggest a post mortem to find out exactly what the object was?
Very sorry for your loss. I think you made the right choice, though it is always a hard one. You did a good thing taking him to a vet for help and I greatly respect you for it.
Benton - it looked like a piece of mulch substrate to me, or something similar. It could have been in either the stomach or intestines, but either way could still be very mobile within the body. They don't have a diaphragm so movement is much easier within the body than in mammals because the organs aren't nearly as fixed in position. The ribs don't stop at the end of the chest as they do in mammals - they extend further back on the body and all the way down to the belly. Picture of skeleton. It could very well have ruptured the stomach wall and have the other end anchored by what's left to be sticking out like that. That does happen sometimes when something too big is ingested and it puts pressure on that organ wall until it dies at the point of pressure (pressure necrosis) and busts through. Something that size skewering an animal would cause a very noticeable hole, and much more damage. I think an ingested foreign body is very likely and really the only possible differential given the rest of the cham is fine (as in not skewered rather than actually fine). I bet there was mulch substrate at the bottom of the cage.
I think you made the right choice, though it is always a hard one. You did a good thing taking him to a vet for help and I greatly respect you for it. Benton - it looked like a piece of mulch substrate to me, or something similar. It could have been in either the stomach or intestines, but either way could still be very mobile within the body. They don't have a diaphragm so movement is much easier within the body than in mammals because the organs aren't nearly as fixed in position. The ribs don't stop at the end of the chest as they do in mammals - they extend further back on the body and all the way down to the belly. Picture of skeleton. It could very well have ruptured the stomach wall and have the other end anchored by what's left to be sticking out like that. That does happen sometimes when something too big is ingested and it puts pressure on that organ wall until it dies at the point of pressure (pressure necrosis) and busts through. Something that size skewering an animal would cause a very noticeable hole, and much more damage. I think an ingested foreign body is very likely and really the only possible differential given the rest of the cham is fine (as in not skewered rather than actually fine). I bet there was mulch substrate at the bottom of the cage.
Elizadolots
New Member
Polar Bear I am very sorry.
As has been said, don't be discouraged from chameleon keeping, but please do come here and get some information before you try again. Sadly, pet stores are notorious for giving bad information.
As has been said, don't be discouraged from chameleon keeping, but please do come here and get some information before you try again. Sadly, pet stores are notorious for giving bad information.
arnau666
Established Member
pf i dont have words for this ....i cant figure out how that happened and i am sure that you did not want this to happen...but the pain he was going through i think was just to much! i think it was the right decision even if i am against putting down an animal !the circumstances where just bad enough ! i hope you can get over this and find the strenght to recover !
