Chamaeleo gracilis or dilepsis?

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Found this baby in Isiolo, Kenya, but unsure how to differentiate flapnecked and graceful chameleons in general, let alone when it comes to babies. Any help much appreciated!
 

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Thanks for the suggestions! Why do you think gracilis @Chase ?
Got this photo of a baby flapnecked (near Mombasa several years ago), the flap size looks pretty similar. I'd like it to be gracilis though, would be a new sp for me!
 

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Some photos of the baby in question with different colouration and my hand for scale
 

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Don’t know if this will help…
https://www.lacerta.de/AF/Bibliografie/BIB_4505.pdf
”Chamaeleo dilepis Leach Flap-necked chameleon
Range: savannah and woodland of most of south-eastern Kenya, including the coast, but
usually below altitudes of 1,500 m, thus absent from Nairobi, and not recorded from the southern rift valley. No records from northern or north-eastern Kenya, where Chamaeleo gracilis occurs. Known localities include Gede, Kitui, Kwale, Machakos, Makindu, Mombasa, Namanga, Sultan Hamud and Voi. Two records from western Kenya, Kakamega and Kisumu.
Notes: coastal Kenya specimens have relatively large ear flaps, and the status of C. quilensis (usually regarded as a subspecies of C. dilepis, with small ear flaps) needs investigating. Lanza (1990) regards C. quilensis as a full species, widely distributed in Somalia; sympatry of adult specimens of this group with large and small ear flaps has been recorded. If subspecies are valid, then most Kenyan specimens belong to the nominate subspecies C. d. dilepis.”
”Chamaeleo gracilis Hallowell Slender chameleon
Range: quite widely distributed in northern, western, eastern and central Kenya, in savannah and semi-desert, usually at altitudes below 1,500 m. Localities include Buna, Eldoret, Isiolo, Kabluk, Kakamega, Kerio Valley, Kisumu, Kora, Mandera, Maua, Moyale, Sololo and Voi, and Longido in Tanzania.
Notes: Kenyan specimens belong to the subspecies C. g. gracilis.”
 
Don’t know if this will help…
https://www.lacerta.de/AF/Bibliografie/BIB_4505.pdf
”Chamaeleo dilepis Leach Flap-necked chameleon
Range: savannah and woodland of most of south-eastern Kenya, including the coast, but
usually below altitudes of 1,500 m, thus absent from Nairobi, and not recorded from the southern rift valley. No records from northern or north-eastern Kenya, where Chamaeleo gracilis occurs. Known localities include Gede, Kitui, Kwale, Machakos, Makindu, Mombasa, Namanga, Sultan Hamud and Voi. Two records from western Kenya, Kakamega and Kisumu.
Notes: coastal Kenya specimens have relatively large ear flaps, and the status of C. quilensis (usually regarded as a subspecies of C. dilepis, with small ear flaps) needs investigating. Lanza (1990) regards C. quilensis as a full species, widely distributed in Somalia; sympatry of adult specimens of this group with large and small ear flaps has been recorded. If subspecies are valid, then most Kenyan specimens belong to the nominate subspecies C. d. dilepis.”
”Chamaeleo gracilis Hallowell Slender chameleon
Range: quite widely distributed in northern, western, eastern and central Kenya, in savannah and semi-desert, usually at altitudes below 1,500 m. Localities include Buna, Eldoret, Isiolo, Kabluk, Kakamega, Kerio Valley, Kisumu, Kora, Mandera, Maua, Moyale, Sololo and Voi, and Longido in Tanzania.
Notes: Kenyan specimens belong to the subspecies C. g. gracilis.”
Nice, thanks very much for the info! Sounds likely for gracilis then, I'll put it down as that for now :)
 
https://bioone.org/journals/journal...2982/0012-8317(1997)86[61:AACOTL]2.0.CO;2.pdf
”Chamaeleo gracilis Hallowell Slender chameleon
Range: quite widely distributed in northern, western, eastern and central Kenya, in savannah and semi-desert, usually at altitudes below 1,500 m. Localities include Buna, Eldoret, Isiolo, Kabluk, Kakamega, Kerio Valley, Kisumu, Kora, Mandera, Maua, Moyale, Sololo and Voi, and Longido in Tanzania.
Notes: Kenyan specimens belong to the subspecies C. g. gracilis.”

“Chamaeleo dilepis Leach Flap-necked chameleon
Range: savannah and woodland of most of south-eastern Kenya, including the coast, but
usually below altitudes of 1,500 m, thus absent from Nairobi, and not recorded from the southern rift valley. No records from northern or north-eastern Kenya, where Chamaeleo gracilis occurs. Known localities include Gede, Kitui, Kwale, Machakos, Makindu, Mombasa, Namanga, Sultan Hamud and Voi. Two records from western Kenya, Kakamega and Kisumu.
Notes: coastal Kenya specimens have relatively large ear flaps, and the status of C. quilensis (usually regarded as a subspecies of C. dilepis, with small ear flaps) needs investigating. Lanza (1990) regards C. quilensis as a full species, widely distributed in Somalia; sympatry of adult specimens of this group with large and small ear flaps has been recorded. If subspecies are valid, then most Kenyan specimens belong to the nominate subspecies C. d. dilepis.”
 
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