Candling Lat. Carpet Eggs

[KShook]

Hellooo Everyone,

I have a clutch of 17 Lat. Carpet eggs that have been incubating since
01-22 were now going on month 4....I've tried candling them but I dont see any little bodies in there?! But I can see the red veins through out the eggs with yellow-ish yolk inside..I know your able to see veild babies at about 5 months of incubation..but these guys I'm not having any luck! But on the up side the eggs them self are getting HUGE they were so tiny when they were originaly layed in January....If you have any good candling techniques let me know!

Thanks Kayla

 

[Brad Ramsey]

Hellooo Everyone,

I know your able to see veild babies at about 5 months of incubation.

Thanks Kayla

Where did you get that information?

-Brad

 

[jojackson]

Id love to see pics of the eggs being candled if thats possible, They fascinate me.
Veins and good external color/condition usually indicate viable eggs. Sometimes the babies turn
in such a way to make you think the egg is empty, but are obvious next time.
Have had a few surprises this way with eggs I thought might be duds.



Note: I refer to Herp eggs in general, never had cham eggs of any species.
Given veilds take 9 months or so (?) I wouldve thought you might atleast notice
a small mass by 5 months, but perhaps solid development dosent occure till later?

Brad do tell?

 

[KShook]

Where did you get that information?

-Brad

I searched for candling threads on here I only found one...There was a response from Chameleon Nation saying he candles his veilds eggs at about 5 months old and is able to see the little bodies in there! Theres also a Picture you can see his legs and tail!

 

[KShook]

Id love to see pics of the eggs being candled if thats possible, They fascinate me.
Veins and good external color/condition usually indicate viable eggs. Sometimes the babies turn
in such a way to make you think the egg is empty, but are obvious next time.
Have had a few surprises this way with eggs I thought might be duds.



Note: I refer to Herp eggs in general, never had cham eggs of any species.
Given veilds take 9 months or so (?) I wouldve thought you might atleast notice
a small mass by 5 months, but perhaps solid development dosent occure till later?

Brad do tell?

Yeah I know what you mean..I've tried to candle various eggs..I cannot see anything! I know there growing the eggs have gotten tremendiously bigger since they were layed! I suppose I'm just getting eager since they could start hatching as soon as next month!!!

But I would still love to know any candling techniques if anyone has any tips on that?!

 

[Kent67]

I'm afraid your carpet eggs are too young to see anything from candling. The presence of veins is a good sign, but your eggs have probably either not come out of diapause yet, or they just have and thus little development has taken place yet. I've never tried breeding veileds so I don't know this for a fact, but, they don't have a diapause phase do they?

 

[KShook]

I'm afraid your carpet eggs are too young to see anything from candling. The presence of veins is a good sign, but your eggs have probably either not come out of diapause yet, or they just have and thus little development has taken place yet. I've never tried breeding veileds so I don't know this for a fact, but, they don't have a diapause phase do they?

Really? Even though they could be hatching out as soon as next month!? Minimum incubation time for these guys is about 5 months old...I thought I would be able to see something at 4 months of Incubation!? Like a leg or a tail at least! And the max incubation time is about 7 months..So that would be another 2 months from now. Do you really think I would see the little bodies is 2 months from now!?

 

[Kent67]

Tough to say as I've only tried candling eggs a couple times in the past and only just this year actually saw a shadow. There is tremendous variation in incubation lengths, from what I've seen with this species. Some can go close to (and over) a year before hatching, even using proven methods. Have you incubated them using a technique to induce and then subsequently break the diapause period? What temp regime have you been using?

 

[KShook]

Tough to say as I've only tried candling eggs a couple times in the past and only just this year actually saw a shadow. There is tremendous variation in incubation lengths, from what I've seen with this species. Some can go close to (and over) a year before hatching, even using proven methods. Have you incubated them using a technique to induce and then subsequently break the diapause period? What temp regime have you been using?

I'm incubating them at a steady temp of 76 it may go up or down but it's only by a couple degrees.

 

[Kent67]

Have you read Kevin's (dooley) article about carpets on Chameleon News, in particular the section on incubation? I think at a constant 76, give or take, you're likely to drag out the incubation time. It is my opinion that most of the carpets imported are collected from highland locales close to 'Tana, and would thus experience a marked seasonal change with accompanying diapause phase.

 

[KShook]

Have you read Kevin's (dooley) article about carpets on Chameleon News, in particular the section on incubation? I think at a constant 76, give or take, you're likely to drag out the incubation time. It is my opinion that most of the carpets imported are collected from highland locales close to 'Tana, and would thus experience a marked seasonal change with accompanying diapause phase.

No I havent read it!? Where can I find that at so I can read up on it!?

 

[Kent67]

http://www.chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=47

 

[KShook]

http://www.chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=47

Thanks a Bunch!

 

[KShook]

diapause

Okay so I read the article and seems as though Incubating Lat. Carpets with a Diapause Incubation is best! I'm going on month 4 of a steady temperature incubation of about 76 degrees with a few degree fluctuation up and down but nothing to extreme..! Now for the real test...Who has hatched out a clutch of Lat. Carpet Eggs with a steady Temperature sucessfully!?

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

On the recommendation from the breeder I picked up my CH carpets I am incubating at 68 degrees to match the incubation temps used by that breeder.

Are there eggs from WC carpets? If they are not it would be best to match the incubation temperatures of the parents. If you are able to find out what was being used.

IMO, you have them at too high of a temperature. I would try to stay in the range of 68-72F. 76 is in the high range for panthers,

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

Here is some more info on Adcham

http://adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/flateralis.html

 

[Kent67]

76 is in the high range for panthers,

I agree with everything Ryan said about incubating yours. I assumed they're WC and thus you might as well go with the diapause method. I've never owned a female lat. lat. and thus have never had eggs. But, as most of the imports I see here look like the form ascribed to being around Tana, I assume most imports are from the highlands and thus should have a diapause associated with their incubation.

Had to throw this in there though, 76F is not really the high range for panthers. When I first started this hobby, it was recommended to incubate panther eggs at a constant 82F (de Vosjoli, Kalisch, etc.) I incubated my first clutch of panthers at a constant 80F and had 100% hatch after 7 months and survive until sold. I did the same thing many more times during those early years. I've since played with inducing and breaking the diapause several times with varying degrees of success but I do set my incubator at 76F now. This way there's a very good buffer in the event of a malfunction, power failure, etc.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

Had to throw this in there though, 76F is not really the high range for panthers. When I first started this hobby, it was recommended to incubate panther eggs at a constant 82F (de Vosjoli, Kalisch, etc.) I incubated my first clutch of panthers at a constant 80F and had 100% hatch after 7 months and survive until sold. I did the same thing many more times during those early years. I've since played with inducing and breaking the diapause several times with varying degrees of success but I do set my incubator at 76F now. This way there's a very good buffer in the event of a malfunction, power failure, etc.

Thanks Kent , very informative.

 

[KShook]

The eggs are from a WC female that I was able to get. Would you reccomend for me to lower the teps to 68-72? do you think this would harm the eggs from being a a steady temp of 76? the eggs are nice and plump and have grown a great amount since they were originaly layed! I dont want to risk losing the eggs...they are doing just fine, have not even lost 1 egg from this clutch. is it not possible to incubate these guys at a steady temp? If it takes longer than thats fine as long as there nice and healthy. Let me know what you think!?

On the recommendation from the breeder I picked up my CH carpets I am incubating at 68 degrees to match the incubation temps used by that breeder.

Are there eggs from WC carpets? If they are not it would be best to match the incubation temperatures of the parents. If you are able to find out what was being used.

IMO, you have them at too high of a temperature. I would try to stay in the range of 68-72F. 76 is in the high range for panthers,

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

The eggs are from a WC female that I was able to get. Wuld you reccomed for me t lower the teps to 68-72? do you think this would harm the eggs from being a a steady temp of 76? the eggs are nice and plump and have grown a great amount since they were originaly layed!

I would say this far in it would be best to leave them at the current temps. You are probably looking at a longer incubation time , but what you are doing seems like it is working fine.

If you do decide to drop the temps , I would do it gradualy over time and settle in at the desired temp. I do not have enough experiance to tell you any pros or cons to lowering the temps. I have not had much time to play with incubation.