can you guys help identify this chameleon?

[Vince882]

Ok so some guy is selling this chameleon but he just says that he's a common chameleon and for me it makes no sense could you help me get the id of this guy? And he's selling them for just $40 could i be falling in to a early death?
sorry for putting a link of the photo adding the image did not work... but thats the guy.

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu160/vicente828/chameleon_1.jpg

 

[Pure]

Oustalets Chameleon errr nvm I think it's a Senegal chameleon.

read this http://chameleonnews.com/?page=article&id=164

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

looks to me like a
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva]Chamaeleo (Chamaeleo) gracilis or Graceful Chameleon[/FONT]

 

[OntarioLizardman]

looks like outslets, i would buy one for 40 but thats me cuz i like them

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

looks like outslets, i would buy one for 40 but thats me cuz i like them

I am pretty sure that is not an oustaleti

 

[Rocky]

I'm going with ryan, he looks like a graceful chameleon to me.

 

[Pure]

Comparing pics, I'm going to have to agree with Ryan now. Graceful.

Edit: didn't feel like double posting.

Doing a google search for Senegal dug up the picture you are showing for ID as a Senegal. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1121/1337901753_0dc81ceb5f.jpg That's not to say that is accurate. I see those photo's on google mislabeled all the time.

I find it more interesting that this "guy" gave you this pic as a representation of the animal he is selling. In other words he might have stolen the photo, so be warned.

 

[casperpetersen]

it´s not ch gracilis or senegalensis a senegal and gracilis are much more plain looking

I think it´s mabe ch roperi or ch quilensis

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

it´s not ch gracilis or senegalensis a senegal and gracilis are much more plain looking

I think it´s mabe ch roperi or ch quilensis

I would tend to think the same thing. Although I have recently seen a ch gracilis in person, just a few days ago and it looked exactly as pictured. Although I am not 100% sure.

from adcham

C. gracilis may reach lengths of 12-16 inches. Similar in appearance to C. dilepis, C. gracilis sports a low casque and a head that is flat or even slightly concave. The casque extends past the back of the head by only a few millimeters. The occipital lobes are absent or greatly reduced. Pronounced lateral crests are apparent on the head. Scalation is homogeneous except for the enlarged, conical scales that form a small dorsal crest and slightly more pronounced gular and ventral crests. Basic coloration is a green, yellow and/or light brown. A stripe may appear on the ventral portion of the flanks and extend from the axilla (armpits) to the groin. A series of dark, vertical bands may appear on the body and tail, particularly under conditions of stress. The body may be covered with small dark spots which may be yellow to orange in receptive females. Rays or dark bands extend out from the center of the eye.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

Comparing pics, I'm going to have to agree with Ryan now. Graceful.

Edit: didn't feel like double posting.

Doing a google search for Senegal dug up the picture you are showing for ID as a Senegal. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1121/1337901753_0dc81ceb5f.jpg That's not to say that is accurate. I see those photo's on google mislabeled all the time.

I find it more interesting that this "guy" gave you this pic as a representation of the animal he is selling. In other words he might have stolen the photo, so be warned.

Yikes, very interesting indeed.

 

[Syn]

I think we all agree we need more angles here for a good idea of what this could be! But I'm thinking graceful.

 

[casperpetersen]

this is a gracilis from kenya (my freind took the pic)

http://www.kamaeleoner.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=69

here are some of my ch roperi
http://www.kamaeleoner.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=195&Itemid=165


This is no gracilis....
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu160/vicente828/chameleon_1.jpg

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

this is a gracilis from kenya (my freind took the pic)

http://www.kamaeleoner.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=69

here are some of my ch roperi
http://www.kamaeleoner.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=195&Itemid=165


This is no gracilis....
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu160/vicente828/chameleon_1.jpg

Maybe all the gracilis I have seen here in pet stores are labeled wrong. I am definitely no expert and the only ones I have seen have been at a reptile store. The picture you said is no gracilis looks very very close to what I have seen, but so do the other species you listed. I would take your experiance over mine for sure.

I appriciate the pics and input. I would love to really know what it is just to know.

 

[Ryan Jarosek]

here is a photo that looks similar

http://www.chameo.org/images/GRAC-F1_000.jpg

 

[Vince882]

Well i spoke to the guy he dosent even have them yet there arriving tomorrow he says that there not so baby but that there young and bigger than 1 inch so guessing that they are segenals or gracilis i will see if i buy it from him or if i keep searching and find a jackson or a velied. He just keep saying that these are the common ones and since im from Puerto Rico that these and the jacksons are the only legal ones but that dosent help me at all so ill be seeing them this weekend thanks for all your help when i see them i will take pictures of them and post them. Thank you!