Can you breed different panther locales?

imcurt

Avid Member
Yep..One of our members has ambilobe/ nosybe's forsale. Some cross's are verry colorful and often sold for less money.My self I'm into keeping the locals pure.Somthing to keep in mind::At some point it's possable the chameleon exports could stop,I feel preserving the locals is the way to go.
 

deerharvester

Established Member
Yes of courses u can, and some of them make amazing colors. In Madagascar there is no fence In between locales stopping them from mating. Most keepers frown upon it, I like to see some of the one of a kind colors they can produce.
 

maxttu

New Member
Here are some 50/50 ambi/be's. 3mos old.

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Boy #2
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Boy #3
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sking21

New Member
I would prefer to not mix them but theres no real reason to not do it. The chances we would one day release our collections into the wild to help populations is very slim. Even then it wouldnt be locale dependent as long as we release the actual species into the wild. Im sure locales like in these particular chameleons attained their different "look" just from being separated from the main populations for period of time with a nice amount of inbreeding within that separate population. Think of locales kinda like races of people
 

Olimpia

Biologist & Ecologist
The chances we would one day release our collections into the wild to help populations is very slim.

Not even slim, but downright impossible! Believe me, there is never going to be a day (ever) where the government of Madagascar comes knocking on our doors and says "We need you, we need your chameleons to repopulate the country." The animals that we keep in the private sector are considered completely unusable by anyone in ecology (just as animals like tigers kept privately by citizens are NEVER used in breeding programs once confiscated) so we're never going to contribute to any projects in the wild with our pets.

If we want to keep them separate for the sake of the pet trade, then that's a different story. But trust me, if there is ever a project to restore the panther populations (in the event they became endangered, because right now they're fine) no one is ever going to come and collect all our Pascals and Rangos for the cause.
 

TreeTopChameleons

New Member
I absolutely agree Olimpia...People make a huge deal about crossing locales, and I believe it is a bit ridiculous. I personally am not interested in cross breeds, but only because I am more than happy with the locales available, and would rather keep them separate to enjoy all their subtle (and not so subtle) differences, rather than mixing them all together.

I think the most important thing you should be considering when crossing locales is the health of your chameleon, and also your ability to re-home a clutch of mixed babies, knowing that they are often not as in demand as the pure locale clutches.

At the end of the day, do what makes you happy.
 

Olimpia

Biologist & Ecologist
Exactly, always more important to consider whether you think all the babies will end up in a good home, what happens when not all the little girls get a home, do I have the resources to raise and house several chameleons if they don't, etc.

When I was screening buyers for my clutch of crosses I actually had a tremendous amount of interest in the females (since I wasn't asking very much for any of the babies), and some individuals wanted to buy several girls, as many as 10. I became very suspicious because that to me sounded like they wanted cheap breeder females to then breed panthers (and probably sell them as pures) and decided instead of keep the girls myself. So there are dishonest people out there, breeding and selling crosses is one thing if they're going to homes that love them and respect what they are, but it's another if they end up going to dishonest homes who want to screw up the hobby to turn a profit.
 

sandrachameleon

Chameleon Enthusiast
Ive never had trouble selling cross-local panthers either, males or females. Most pet owners don't care what local the females are, since they all look much the same regardless of origins.

If the highly unlikely event that the wild population ever want to be repopulated from capture animal sources, it wouldn't be from hobbyists like us. They'd go to specialists, zoos, and such.

the "pure" animals in the hobby trade are sometimes not actually pure, and even the ones you could confirm as originating as pure often not really the same as in the wild - we breed for looks not for fitness. for example Most Nosy Be animals in the wild are NOT the solid bright blue so popular here. I dare say the Faly that get the most breeding will be from those that have a lot of white and red rain - not necessarily what would have survived the best in the wild

some people like the reliable look of particular locales. Some people like the unique surprise of a cross. There's certainly room for both in the hobby

these are ambi-nosy crosses, the first is the father of the second.
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