Bug Grub

[Bernie]

Hi all,

My vet has recommended I gutload my feeders with Bug Grub. She says they have done a lot of testing and this proves to be the best way of supplementing my Cham, more so than dusting. The dusting should be added for an extra dose.

Feeding fresh veggies is no good in comparison (apparently).

I know everyone has different theories and there may not be a right or wrong answer here. But just wondered what peoples thoughts were. Should I listen to my vet?

I did buy some and I shall be giving it a try, can anyone recommend/speak from experience from this stuff?

Cheers.

 

[jannb]

What ingredients are in bug grub? It might be a good dry gut load.

 

[Bernie]

Ingredients

Protein 16%, Oil B 4.5%, Fibre 17.2%, Ash 11%,
Moisture 13.8%, Magnesium 0.3%, Vitamin A
5000iu/kg, Vitamin D3 500iu/kg, Vitamin E 20iu/kg,
Selenium 0.05mg/kg, Copper 30mg/kg.

 

[sandrachameleon]

That's a nutritional summary, not an ingredient list
still, Does not look like something I would use, at least not regularily.

This is how I would recommend you gutload (which my vet agrees with):
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/75-feeder-nutrition-gutloading.html

 

[Bernie]

That's a nutritional summary, not an ingredient list
still, Does not look like something I would use, at least not regularily.

http://www.pro-rep.co.uk/bug_grub.html

Why is that?

 

[Hoj]

well i dont think you can go wrong with fresh friuts and veggies and i also use sandras dry gutload recipe and my ckickets are crazy healthy almost growing to fast..

 

[sandrachameleon]

http://www.pro-rep.co.uk/bug_grub.html

Why is that?

No ingredient list provided, so I cannot see what's in it. The protein could come from animal sources, for example.
It contains preformed vitamin A (too much in my opinion - this needs much closer control than you could get with that gutload, IMHO)
Contains D3 (dose is okay but I prefer to have individual control over it as well)

Just as taking a vitamin tablet myself is less preferable to eating properly in the first place of fresh foods, I quite strongly feel providing the best to my chameleon means a wide range of properly gutloaded feeders.

 

[Bernie]

No ingredient list provided, so I cannot see what's in it. The protein could come from animal sources, for example.
It contains preformed vitamin A (too much in my opinion - this needs much closer control than you could get with that gutload, IMHO)
Contains D3 (which I prefer to have control over as well)

Just as taking a vitamin tablet myself is less preferable to eating properly in the first place of fresh foods, I quite strongly feel providing the best to my chameleon means a wide ranger of properly gutloaded feeders.

Thanks. By the way I was not questioning your methods, I was just after the reason you wouldnt use it often. Sorry if I came over as rude.

I am curious why my exotic vet would recommend this if it wasnt as nutritious as using fresh veggies. I will definitely contact the vet to ask their reasons behind this recommendation.

Thanks.

 

[sandrachameleon]

Thanks. By the way I was not questioning your methods, I was just after the reason you wouldnt use it often. Sorry if I came over as rude.
I am curious why my exotic vet would recommend this if it wasnt as nutritious as using fresh veggies. I will definitely contact the vet to ask their reasons behind this recommendation.
Thanks.

Its not rude to ask a question, especially a good question

Perhaps the vet thinks most people dont provide a good nutritionally balanced (towards the needs of the chameleon) variety of fresh vegetables and fruits, and/or dont dust properly, and thus thinks this product is an easy and thus more likely to succeed method?

Perhaps your vets experience is more towards lizards that are not primarily insect eaters (meat eaters naturally get/need higher vitamin A content)?

Perhaps your vet truly believes it is a good product! I'd be interested to know the basis of your vets opinion too.

Mine is based on a good deal of research, more than a decade of raising long-lived healthy chameleons, and the input of two vets (in the same practise but of different backgrounds - educated in different countries) each with years of chameleon support experience.

 

[Bernie]

Perhaps the vet thinks most people dont provide a good nutritionally balanced (towards the needs of the chameleon) variety of fresh vegetables and fruits, and/or dont dust properly, and thus thinks this product is an easy and thus more likely to succeed method?

This was my first thought and probably is the reason. Although I did explain how I was gutloading (fruit/veg). I will be sure to ask the reasons and I shall report back.

For now, i'll stick with my gut (pardon the pun) and go for the fresh gutload with calcium powder!

 

[Whammo72]

I sent them an email asking if the protein content was animal or plant based.