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Hey i feel for ya bro. Thats why Ive learned not to do rescues. It can be wonderful if the previous owner was a decent caretaker. otherwise like you know all too well it can turn into a friggin nightmare. If your not a vet or work for one it can cost an arm and a legg to save one of these guys/gals. I let the people like Chameo and others try and save em. my wallet isnt fatt enough at the moment. Good luck and I hope Im wrong about the retained eggs.
 
Hi Matt,

I would hydrate hydrate hydrate to start she looks little thirsty in those pictures. The shower you are giving her will help. Sometimes chameleons won't eat when the are are dehydrated. Get her nice and full of water and see how she feels.

I agree completely with taking her to see a vet though I wouldn't give Oxytocin not knowing if she is retaining eggs. If you feel this might be the issue then a X-ray is a necessity. You wouldn't want to give meds that are not needed especially when you are not sure if there is a underlying problem.

Good luck keep us posted.
 
Normally i would never give an animal drugs without an exam. But the op said he doesnt have the necessary funds. In this case with the cham having dropped some eggs already and not knowing her history I would get her the shot. I would rather do that in an effort to save the cham rather than see her die a very sloooow very painful death. I would rather give a med thats not needed in this situation than see an animal suffer for days. She needs an x-ray and even with the oxytocin shot she may not drop the eggs if there are more inside her. It may reaquire surgery to save her unfortunately.
 
Texas Panther Man said:
Normally i would never give an animal drugs without an exam. But the op said he doesnt have the necessary funds. In this case with the cham having dropped some eggs already and not knowing her history I would get her the shot. I would rather do that in an effort to save the cham rather than see her die a very sloooow very painful death. I would rather give a med thats not needed in this situation than see an animal suffer for days. She needs an x-ray and even with the oxytocin shot she may not drop the eggs if there are more inside her. It may reaquire surgery to save her unfortunately.
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I am not saying this to be cold and callused but the op did say he "already spent 200$ to save her" When "saving" or "rescuing" an animal it should be assumed vet care is needed.

He found eggs in the moss that doesn't necessarily mean all of the eggs were not laid. Did this female have a laying bin or did she lay in the moss because she had no other choice.

If he gives her oxytocin and she is not egg bound all you have is a sick chameleon pumped full of oxytocin.

Matt please don't gun shot treat this girl if she doesn't seem better after hydration try try try to get her to the vet for an exam.
 
i would say first thing is HYDRATE HYDRATE HYDRATE. thats probably one of the biggest reasons she is so weak to eat. take her plant put it in the shower a bounce sme warm water off the wall so it mists the plant. leave her there for ATlEAST 15- 30 min.that shld help with the hydration. and if you cup feed put a variety of things in it while shes in the shower so when you put her in the cage she will have the option. if the shower isnt wrking i wld go to the syrange and hydrate her like that as well. and if you are still having trouble with feeding you will probably have to force feeder till she regains her strength
 
If he doesnt have the funds for the x-rays or other tests are you going to pay for them? Theres no way to tell if she dropped all the eggs or not? Ive stated that numerous times. I also stated that even if she got the shot it doesnt mean she can even physically be capable of dropping the eggs. At this point they could be fused together and there could be no other way to save her other than surgery! I really dont appreciate the way you are saying Im for shot gun treating this cham. As i was the first to bring this to anyones attention and the first to suggest a vet visit and x-rays. :rolleyes: I like how your telling him to hydrate hydrate hydrate. Thats not going to help if shes retaining eggs. Which no one can know for certain without x-rays.
 
Texas Panther Man said:
Theres no way to tell if she dropped all the eggs or not? Thats not going to help if shes retaining eggs. Which no one can know for certain without x-rays.
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I agree with these, however, my one thought on why she would have passed all the eggs is her weight.
I really can't see a cham with eggs still in her at 27g, I know weirder things can happen, but 27g is beyond the point where I would go out on a limb claiming she's still got eggs in her.
 
Texas Panther Man said:
If he doesnt have the funds for the x-rashe dropped all the eggs or not? Ive stated that numerous times. I also stated that even if she got the shot it doesnt mean she can even physically be capable of dropping the eggs. At this point they could be fused together and there could be no other way to save her other than surgery!ys or other tests are you going to pay for them? Theres no way to tell if I really dont appreciate the way you are saying Im for shot gun treating this cham. As i was the first to bring this to anyones attention and the first to suggest a vet visit and x-rays. :rolleyes: I like how your telling him to hydrate hydrate hydrate. Thats not going to help if shes retaining eggs. Which no one can know for certain without x-rays.
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You get all of this from eggs in the moss and a few pictures?

You should know dehydration is one of the biggest problems with chameleons people underestimate how much water they really need.

What do you call it when you give medication without knowing what you are treating for?

You and I can sit here all day arguing over point of views but when it boils down to it nobody will know what is wrong with this poor girl unless she sees a vet.

Why not spend the money it would cost for the oxytocin and put it towards a exam by a DVM? Then Matt will know what he is up against and he can make the right decision for him and his chameleon.
 
Ok guys, I am returning home shortly. I got 10 wax worms and a small Horn worm for her. Thy should fatten her up just a little. As far as hydration goes, i took her in sh shower today and she was gulping back water so i know shes drinking, shes alsodrinking water from the dripper. As far as the eggs go, she did not have a laying bin so she was forced to lay in there. And as i said funds are extremley low and i wont have money for nother week or so, so all i am forced to do for now is try and rais her back up to health and hope she has no eggs inside. Like Psi said shes only 27 grams so i doubt she has any eggs inside her, she is extremley skinny also.
 
Matt1851 said:
Ok guys, I am returning home shortly. I got 10 wax worms and a small Horn worm for her. Thy should fatten her up just a little. As far as hydration goes, i took her in sh shower today and she was gulping back water so i know shes drinking, shes alsodrinking water from the dripper. As far as the eggs go, she did not have a laying bin so she was forced to lay in there. And as i said funds are extremley low and i wont have money for nother week or so, so all i am forced to do for now is try and rais her back up to health and hope she has no eggs inside. Like Psi said shes only 27 grams so i doubt she has any eggs inside her, she is extremley skinny also.
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Good to hear she is drinking. Laying is lot of work especially if shes so small. Hopefully with some hydration followed by nutrition she will feel better :)

I apologise for turning your thread into a debate. That was not my intentions.

Good luck and I hope your little lady feels better. Keep us updated.
 
Only takes one egg to spoil inside her to cause a urinary tract infection. Like I SAID EARLIER JESSICA he needs to see the vet asap. I know perfectly well how important hydration is for any reptile or mammal not just chameleons. But H20 is not going to help when youve got other issues possibily going on. And yes I did get the POSSIBILITY of egg retntion from those photos. Since the most common reason for egg retention in females is lack of a proper laying bin. And for the record oxy shot wouldnt have killed this female but she will die if she has a rotten egg inside her.
 
Texas Panther Man said:
Only takes one egg to spoil inside her to cause a urinary tract infection. Like I SAID EARLIER JESSICA he needs to see the vet asap. I know perfectly well how important hydration is for any reptile or mammal not just chameleons. But H20 is not going to help when youve got other issues possibily going on. And yes I did get the POSSIBILITY of egg retntion from those photos. Since the most common reason for egg retention in females is lack of a proper laying bin. And for the record oxy shot wouldnt have killed this female but she will die if she has a rotten egg inside her.
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I wasn't questioning your intelligence, my point was Matt obviously bought the female from a person who didn't know much about proper care. Most of us know the importance of humidity and water for these guys but just maybe the previous owner did not. Matt says he doesn't have the funds to go to the vet so why not start with the basics because that's usually what is over looked by inexperienced keepers.

Just because a drug is considered "safe" does not mean it doesn't have ill effects in a unhealthy animal. Not saying there is but what if there was an underlying problem? We don't know especially from just looking at a couple of pictures.
 
Well im gunna agree with both of you here but in the mean time im going to have to go with jessica, and as much as i love chameleons, and id hate to see her die a slow and painful death its either she died a slow painful death with me or the previous owner. At least i can give her proper care, regular cleanings and proper food sceduals and clean water. Until i can get her to a vet all i can do is try.
 
If you have a regular vet, call them and see if you can work out a payment plan! Most vets who actually care about the animals are willing to help you in order to save the animal. Borrow money from friends and family if you have to. You bought her knowing she was not in the best of shape, and now you have to try your hardest to get her well. Saying she's just a rescue doesn't cut it. She is still alive and in your care.
 
pssh said:
If you have a regular vet, call them and see if you can work out a payment plan! Most vets who actually care about the animals are willing to help you in order to save the animal. Borrow money from friends and family if you have to. You bought her knowing she was not in the best of shape, and now you have to try your hardest to get her well. Saying she's just a rescue doesn't cut it. She is still alive and in your care.
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Well the vet i went to iv only been to once, and i bought her being told she was completely healthy! And when i got her yesterday she just looked really stressed from the car ride and a little dehydrated and today is when i started noticing all the problems. If i had of known all the problems she had i wouldn't of bought her :s Unfortunalty i cant give her back so i said it before and ill say it again all i can do is try! And i am trying i am! but things just happened at the wrong time!
 
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