Been in the sun

[ge60705]

hello,
my 1yr old male veiled is off his food, and has one eye occasionally shut this week. seems to have started after i put him in the sunshine last week. in a screen cage out the back with plenty to climb and places to shade. maybe not relevant but added for info purposes.

he's sprayed often and just given him a little bath, i use nutrobal on his food and his uv light is due for renewal, just been for one but none at the only petshop nearby open on a sunday.

he would often hiss and gape at me when i went near him which was a chance to get some critical care formula into him , off the vet, but he isnt doing that either now

any ideas?

i can get to the vet tomorrow if need be.

thanks, any advice is greatly appreciated





Cage Info:
Cage Type - wooden viv, vented at the top where the light dangles

Lighting - 60w spot light, 30inch reptisun i got after last times advice, seen here...https://www.chameleonforums.com/recovery-time-19176/?highlight=ge60705 but cant see from the bulb what strength it is. on at half 5 am, off at half 8pm. uk summertime

Temperature - 95 at a spot under the lamp, 80 at the coolest part , only drops to 70 overnight, 2 thermometers measuring. the humidity gage got so wet it doesnt work, that was a felt type.

Plants - just plastic plants and exoterra vines, wooden budgie ladder

Placement - he's in a 4ft high, 3ft wide and deep viv, on top of a horizontal viv, with my bearded dragon in. they cant see each other. i open the blinds in the day so they can both look out the window, slatted blinds so they arend overheating with any sunshine. the highest highpoint of the viv is around 9ft off the floor.

Location - Where are you geographically located? cardiff uk

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - Veiled, Male, 14months. had him since april08

Handling - not often, he doesnt like to be held

Feeding - brown crickets, doesnt bother with locust, loves waxworms, occasional mealworms, started buying fruit beetle grubs, hung in a feeding tray that he can easily see. same place. gut loaded on lettuce, grapes, brocoli. dusted with nutrobal, probably 4out of 6feeds il dust them

Watering - a pump action garden spray, so its continuous with one press of the trigger. twice a day for say 30seconds each. considering how much it sprays in this time, i feel its enough as the leaves sides and roof of the viv are soaking. he drinks off his nose but he will drink from a hamster bottle from my hand too


Fecal Description - small brown poos with a little white tip, might have a dot of orange in sometimes. not been tested for parasites.

History - had uv light trouble last year, solved on this very forum. this post..
https://www.chameleonforums.com/recovery-time-19176/?highlight=ge60705


Current Problem - see original text.

thanks,
G

 

[Metric]

Fill this out, and include some pictures of the enclosure. You'll get much more, and accurate responses.




Cage Info:
Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?

Chameleon Info:
Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.
Current Problem - The current problem that you are concerned about.

 

[ge60705]

hello ?

 

[vindicatedornot]

You might need to replace your UVB linear bulb. They are pretty much used up after 6 months or so. You want a reptisun 5.0 (not coiled) and for a basking temp 95 is kind of hot for a cage with less air flow. I think a little lower like 90 would help.

I would suggest purchasing some real plants, veileds love to eat plant matter from everything I've read, plus it will help with the humidity. Also whenever you mist the water will collect on the leaves making it easier and somewhat more natural for your chameleon to drink.

It could be something more serious though. You should watch him and observe the problem area carefully. if not much seems to help a trip to the vet may be necessary.

Hope this helps
-Andrea

 

[ge60705]

ok, nice one vin. im trying for the vet today. but the lst trouble i had, the answer was here, the vet didnt diagnose the coiled uv.

does a used uv light lead to eye squinting?

any opinion on a 30inch arcadia lamp? they come in 6.0 or 12.0 and they seem to be replacing the zoomed / reptisun

 

[vindicatedornot]

Just noticed you use brocoli as a gut load. This really isn't recommended. Brocoli and Spinnach (forgive my spelling, i hate veggies and therefore never learned their spelling) slow down and/or disable your chameleons ability to process or absorb calcium. I don't know much about nutrobal so maybe someone who uses it or knows more could help.

 

[vindicatedornot]

ok, nice one vin. im trying for the vet today. but the lst trouble i had, the answer was here, the vet didnt diagnose the coiled uv.

does a used uv light lead to eye squinting?

any opinion on a 30inch arcadia lamp? they come in 6.0 or 12.0 and they seem to be replacing the zoomed / reptisun

I'm not sure if it directly leads to the eye squinting but I can see how it could be possible.

It could be a combination of the light and a supplimentation issue, or maybe he just has something irratating his eye like debris or an infection. You have to monitor him and try to see if you can figure out which it is. Prolonged misting sessions should help if its debris. again though, if nothing helps go straight to the vet.

And I'm sorry but I've never heard of an arcadia lamp. I think as long as it emits UVB and it's not too intense like the coiled bulbs it could work fine. If you could find the reptisun I would honestly feel better.

 

[ge60705]

ok thanks for the help. il add an updaet later after the vets.
g

 

[summoner12]

Check out the UV Guide for info on lamps...

I would really stick with a Zoo Med Reptisun. The spectrum on the 5.0 has been proven to work better than some other lamps.

 

[ge60705]

i think the mystery's solved. he's was perching on his branches with his 'bum' on show, as if trying to poo. he's at the vets now, suspected constipation.

i'm due to pick him up at half 2, BST but they say he still hasnt pood.

im bound to be sold some medicine or other, but any tips and tricks from other members?


il try to add some pics, but as they were taken with my dog n bone they wont be the best quality perhaps.

 

[summoner12]

If he has not been eating he won't be pooping... if he has been eating and isn't pooping a nice warm soak might work well for him....

Link

 

[ge60705]

this is the latest.. been to the vet, and for £70 she couldnt work anything out.

since we've been home, he's been sick. green bile with some undigested insects in. not a lot but he didnt eat for a while so theyve been stuck for a week say.

since then he is always dark, almost the black end of green, one eye is shut and he doesnt stay under the spotlight to warm up. he stays away and is always cold, im feeding him some critical care formula, water and some baby food veg puree . all from a syringe. he doesnt protest too much when i open his mouth to do this. when its in his mouth he icks it and swallows. also got some parasite medicine, 2ml a day for 10 days.

im seeking urgent advice as the vet is useless. again. last years problem was solved here by you lot.

im moving him into the smaller case tomorrow, that i used when he was a baby. purely to minimise the space he has so he can get warm and hopefully start from there.

good idea? or should i ride out the current situation hoping he will start getting better. he climbs and gets around ok, no limb problems it seems.

the blockage he vomitted has taken it out of him, he was normal colours coming back from the vet.



its 2123 uk BST so ive got til the morning for replies and prepare any suggestions.


any help guys please?

thanks.
G

 

[ge60705]

this is the latest.. been to the vet, and for £70 she couldnt work anything out.

since we've been home, he's been sick. green bile with some undigested insects in. not a lot but he didnt eat for a while so theyve been stuck for a week say.

since then he is always dark, almost the black end of green, one eye is shut and he doesnt stay under the spotlight to warm up. he stays away and is always cold, im feeding him some critical care formula, water and some baby food veg puree . all from a syringe. he doesnt protest too much when i open his mouth to do this. when its in his mouth he licks it and swallows. also got some parasite medicine, 2ml a day for 10 days.

im seeking urgent advice as the vet is useless. again. last years problem was solved here by you lot.

im moving him into the smaller case tomorrow, that i used when he was a baby. purely to minimise the space he has so he can get warm and hopefully start from there.

good idea? or should i ride out the current situation hoping he will start getting better. he climbs and gets around ok, no limb problems it seems.

the blockage he vomitted has taken it out of him, he was normal colours coming back from the vet.



its 2123 uk BST so ive got til the morning for replies and prepare any suggestions.


any help guys please?

thanks.
G

 

[dodolah]

this is the latest.. been to the vet, and for £70 she couldnt work anything out.

since we've been home, he's been sick. green bile with some undigested insects in. not a lot but he didnt eat for a while so theyve been stuck for a week say.

since then he is always dark, almost the black end of green, one eye is shut and he doesnt stay under the spotlight to warm up. he stays away and is always cold, im feeding him some critical care formula, water and some baby food veg puree . all from a syringe. he doesnt protest too much when i open his mouth to do this. when its in his mouth he icks it and swallows. also got some parasite medicine, 2ml a day for 10 days.

im seeking urgent advice as the vet is useless. again. last years problem was solved here by you lot.

im moving him into the smaller case tomorrow, that i used when he was a baby. purely to minimise the space he has so he can get warm and hopefully start from there.

good idea? or should i ride out the current situation hoping he will start getting better. he climbs and gets around ok, no limb problems it seems.

the blockage he vomitted has taken it out of him, he was normal colours coming back from the vet.



its 2123 uk BST so ive got til the morning for replies and prepare any suggestions.


any help guys please?

thanks.
G

That's an awful lots of parasite medicine.
What med exactly? and why that much?

 

[ge60705]

baytril.

sorry, my error. 0.02ml a day for 10 days

 

[dodolah]

careful on baytril.
Baytril is NOT a parasite medicine.
It is an antibiotic for to combat infection.
Why feeding him Baytril? Any specific reason?
This COULD be the reaction and reason why he vomit green bile.. Baytril is a very strong medicine and could be very tough on his kidney and liver.

You need to make sure he's very well hydrated during the therapy.

 

[ge60705]

its what the vet gave me. ive missed todays anyway.

continue what im doing? bathing him too. but he doesnt warm up after any soaking or spraying

 

[dodolah]

Can you ask the vet why she use baytril? could it be that she suspect an infection.. I think this could be the reason behind all that adverse reaction.
You should provide ample hydration for your cham. I am not at authority to tell you to stop the medication. I think it won't hurt to get a second opinion..

anybody has opinion on this?

 

[ge60705]

i rang the vet after he was sick to tell her, she was in a meeting. they took my number but she never bothered to get off her arse to call back

 

[SSimsswiSS]

I might be missing something here: But things went bad after some good old natural sunlight. Which leads me to believe you have been using some form of D3. D3 + sun = bad news