Asian Arowana From British Columbia

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Some of you may have heard me refer to Asian Arowana's when covering topics about chameleons export regulations and in particular Calumma parsonii parsonii export. This species were being over collected in the wild however are now being farmed via aquaculture similar to how chameleons species are or could be. Trade in this species (which is an Endangered species by the IUCN Red List) is regulated by inserting a micro chip inside the Arowanas body. This can document weather the Arowana was a CITES approved farm bred or illegal smuggled Arowana. I think similar technology could clear much of the smuggling that is gong on with chameleons in the chameleon keeping hobby. Hears a picture of a Super Red Arowana I got the opportunity to have a look at this holiday. He was about 8-9 inches and for sale at 3,000 USD.

 

[Carlton]

Some of you may have heard me refer to Asian Arowana's when covering topics about chameleons export regulations and in particular Calumma parsonii parsonii export. This species were being over collected in the wild however are now being farmed via aquaculture similar to how chameleons species are or could be. Trade in this species (which is an Endangered species by the IUCN Red List) is regulated by inserting a micro chip inside the Arowanas body. This can document weather the Arowana was a CITES approved farm bred or illegal smuggled Arowana. I think similar technology could clear much of the smuggling that is gong on with chameleons in the chameleon keeping hobby. Hears a picture of a Super Red Arowana I got the opportunity to have a look at this holiday. He was about 8-9 inches and for sale at 3,000 USD.

Could be, but as long as chams as a taxon are not categorized at the species level, listed on the IUCN Red List, or CITES Appendix 1, there isn't as much incentive to curb smuggling. Even a high value parsonii isn't. We can dream though.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

Could be, but as long as chams as a taxon are not categorized at the species level, listed on the IUCN Red List, or CITES Appendix 1, there isn't as much incentive to curb smuggling. Even a high value parsonii isn't. We can dream though.

Gross wasting of chameleons due to being kept and exported in inadequate conditions because of smuggling is not enough incentive to curve smuggling? I still see people who have got colonies of smuggled Parsonii in apartments in enclosure way to small who would be lucky to keep any of there 10 Parsonii long term. You are overlooking that Madagascar chameleons species are listed at the species level by the IUCN Red List and as CITES Appendix 1 or 2 species. I think legitimate exports Trump black market export every time weather it is on an ethics level or economics level. If you want to endorse smuggling and black market exports that is up to you. I won't I consider it a regression of the hobby. However normally for a micro chip exports system to work you have got to have documented farming or captive bred chameleons.

Dreaming? That is the point of this thread. Asia made their dream happen of creating a system that CITES could endorse and regulate (and continue to improve) and allow trade of a species they were a big fan of Asian Arowanas. Which has turned out to become a great and highly acclaimed industry in Asia. However I absolutely think the same could happen with Madagascar and other chameleon species.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[Carlton]

Gross wasting of chameleons due to being kept and exported in inadequate conditions because of smuggling is not enough incentive to curve smuggling? I still see people who have got colonies of smuggled Parsonii in apartments in enclosure way to small who would be lucky to keep any of there 10 Parsonii long term. You are overlooking that Madagascar chameleons species are listed at the species level by the IUCN Red List and as CITES Appendix 1 or 2 species. I think legitimate exports Trump black market export every time weather it is on an ethics level or economics level. If you want to endorse smuggling and black market exports that is up to you. I won't I consider it a regression of the hobby. However normally for a micro chip exports system to work you have got to have documented farming or captive bred chameleons.

Dreaming? That is the point of this thread. Asia made their dream happen of creating a system that CITES could endorse and regulate (and continue to improve) and allow trade of a species they were a big fan of Asian Arowanas. Which has turned out to become a great and highly acclaimed industry in Asia. However I absolutely think the same could happen with Madagascar and other chameleon species.

Best Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

WHOA THERE! I don't endorse smuggling, black markets, or mistreating any species for any reason! All I was attempting to say was until CITES changes how various cham species are categorized it could be harder to stop smuggling, as that is the statute used to prosecute illegal transport and sale. The last time I read the CITES appendices there was only one cham species listed on Appendix 1 as T&E. The more commonly traded species were Appendix II or III and others are not even listed. If this is no longer true I apologize. I've heard good things about the Asian trade too and never suggested it couldn't work for chams.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

WHOA THERE! I don't endorse smuggling, black markets, or mistreating any species for any reason! All I was attempting to say was until CITES changes how various cham species are categorized it would be harder to stop smuggling, as that is the statute used to prosecute illegal transport and sale. I've heard good things about the Asian trade too and never suggested it couldn't work for chams.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

Carlton

LOL no worries then. That was just how I perceived what you were writing. Mirco chips in farm raised chameleons would be a great start to putting a halt on smuggling chameleons. When it was applied to Asian Arowanas it for the most part eliminated most of the smuggling of wild caught Asian Arowanas. There is a case where this technique actually has started being used to stop smuggling with wild Namaqua Chameleon. I have suggesting this technique ever since I joined the forums and I am glad it is starting to be come a viable technique with chameleons. Here's a link if your interested. This article was originally posted by Chris Anderson.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...leons-bid-stop-trade-illegal-trafficking.html

Kind Regards
Jeremy A. Rich

 

[symphonica]

I'm a huge fan of fish. Have a 265 gal and have done everything from tropical freshwater to reefs. My favorite was always my Amazonian tank. I had gorgeous marbles motoro rays. I used to have a Jardini and Black Arows. I'm in the US, so no Asian Arows allowed here, but if it ever became legalized, I'd probably be one of the first in line. Also, I'm from Japan, so every time I visit Japan, I have to stop at the fish store and aquarium to check out their collection. You should see the Asian arowanas there. The ones at the aquarium are humongous and the ones at the pet store have beautiful coloration with perfect scales and can cost as much as $30,000

 

[fluxlizard]

the pet store have beautiful coloration with perfect scales and can cost as much as $30,000

I've heard it was a prestige thing for businessmen to have this fish on display.

I think the price tag is why they can get away with the RFID thingie.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

I'm a huge fan of fish. Have a 265 gal and have done everything from tropical freshwater to reefs. My favorite was always my Amazonian tank. I had gorgeous marbles motoro rays. I used to have a Jardini and Black Arows. I'm in the US, so no Asian Arows allowed here, but if it ever became legalized, I'd probably be one of the first in line. Also, I'm from Japan, so every time I visit Japan, I have to stop at the fish store and aquarium to check out their collection. You should see the Asian arowanas there. The ones at the aquarium are humongous and the ones at the pet store have beautiful coloration with perfect scales and can cost as much as $30,000

The best Arowanas are definitely not located in the USA. I have read about specimens selling over sea's legally for $100,000 USD at shows. I have heard of Chilli Reds hear in the Black Market selling for the same prices.

I've heard it was a prestige thing for businessmen to have this fish on display.

I think the price tag is why they can get away with the RFID thingie.

What is RFID? If it is stating that Arowana is dyed it is not?

They are called Dragon Fish in Asia and that is one of the most auspicious symbols of Feng Shui.

 

[Montium]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification

 

[fluxlizard]

What is RFID? If it is stating that Arowana is dyed it is not?

RFID is the microchip inside the fish.

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

RFID is the microchip inside the fish.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[symphonica]

I've heard it was a prestige thing for businessmen to have this fish on display.

I think the price tag is why they can get away with the RFID thingie.

It definitely is, and especially so in China. You can just picture this businessman in a suit, on a leather couch, with a marble ashtray and a cigar hanging out of his mouth, having a huge glass tank with huge Asian arows swimming behind him.

Although they are gorgeous, they're also very creepy. They're often associated with mafias/gangs, and fraudulent businessmen with secrets (like black market trading). These fish often appear in murder scenes and such in Asian media, so they are definitely portrayed as being a darker, more evil fish.

 

[symphonica]

Oops, must have hit Save again. Double post!

 

[Motherlode Chameleon]

It definitely is, and especially so in China. You can just picture this businessman in a suit, on a leather couch, with a marble ashtray and a cigar hanging out of his mouth, having a huge glass tank with huge Asian arows swimming behind him.

Although they are gorgeous, they're also very creepy. They're often associated with mafias/gangs, and fraudulent businessmen with secrets (like black market trading). These fish often appear in murder scenes and such in Asian media, so they are definitely portrayed as being a darker, more evil fish.

It definitely is, but then again, there is a negative connotation surrounding arows when portrayed by the media.

Think of wealthy businessmen in suits on leather couches, kicking their black, leather shoes up on the table, smoking a cigar into a marble ashtray. An arowana would be swimming behind them in a tank that spans the wall. Then again, these fish tend to be owned by crooks - they always appear in shows with mafia/gangs, businessmen who are up to no good, murder scenes, etc. They're portrayed as the bada$$, and spooky/creepy fish.

The Asian Arowana keepers on Monster Fish Keepers would say other wise about being associated with only with the shady part of society. I would say the qualification is you have got to be a big fan of aquariums then a big fan of Arowanas.