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baggedd5087
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I might be wrong but no recomended is 24x24x48
panthercham
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That size is fine for a female or juvi veiled......as always keep it off the ground and up on a stand so it has some height so she can get higher than you and feel safer/hide 
baggedd5087
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See in my 2 year long relationship i have learned my girlfriend is always right. tell your bf he needs to just accept the fact women are always right lol
lolSee in my 2 year long relationship i have learned my girlfriend is always right. tell your bf he needs to just accept the fact women are always right
IFLY i freakin love you for that...lol he said that may be but its all in the training...he hasnt realized im untrainable hehehehe
Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
That is the size I would recommend for an adult female veiled.
You are each half right.
-Brad
You are each half right.
-Brad
baggedd5087
Member
haha so is my gf and ive accepted that lol. that pretty much eliminates any potential fights
Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
I've talked about this before.
It is my opinion that limiting the territory they need to guard and monitor makes them feel much more secure.
-Brad
Cainschams
New Member
I would think a lot of chameleon species would guard and monitor their territory in the wild. They are territorial
As much as we see chameleons get a little "off tempo" when going to a new home or a total cage rearrangement suggests to me that they would try to stay in a general area and protect their "favorite" bush or tree. Of course they would travel to find a mate, food or a nesting spot etc. I have never studied chams in the wild so this is purely based on my thoughts and observations of my captive animals
Brad Ramsey
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jojackson
New Member
I fail to see how 2 square feet or 3 is better than 4? How much space does a female veiled have in yemen?
The only sound reasoning ive ever heard is that food should be easily found (young or sick animals).
Why should a healthy female be any less capable of defending itself or be of a more 'nervous' disposition than a male?
Provided with plentiful visual security (plants) from potential predators, is see no reason to discriminate on space.
Cain, what is exactly is implied by the term 'territorial' as it pertains to species?
In most cases it seems to refer to agressive tendencys shown toward another (usually another male) when encountered up close. Ive never read of them patroling a particular area/tree/bush. (a home range/either sex) Videos of 'territorial aggression' usually depict two males on the same branch.
It might be interesting to see data regarding wild numbers for a given area, as would long term radio tracking data.
The only relative theme I can forsee with accepting 'Territorial' in this respect/context, would perhaps be either, protecting a particular branch they happen to be on at the time (less competition for any food that might appear) or if the species has a particular 'breeding season' when many males would be on the move and may hone in on the same female/s, (in this way claiming 'territory'). But then a female chooses anyway, either accepting (receptive color) or not (non receptive color), though horny males pumped with testosterone may still fight.
The only sound reasoning ive ever heard is that food should be easily found (young or sick animals).
Why should a healthy female be any less capable of defending itself or be of a more 'nervous' disposition than a male?
Provided with plentiful visual security (plants) from potential predators, is see no reason to discriminate on space.
Cain, what is exactly is implied by the term 'territorial' as it pertains to species?
In most cases it seems to refer to agressive tendencys shown toward another (usually another male) when encountered up close. Ive never read of them patroling a particular area/tree/bush. (a home range/either sex) Videos of 'territorial aggression' usually depict two males on the same branch.
It might be interesting to see data regarding wild numbers for a given area, as would long term radio tracking data.
The only relative theme I can forsee with accepting 'Territorial' in this respect/context, would perhaps be either, protecting a particular branch they happen to be on at the time (less competition for any food that might appear) or if the species has a particular 'breeding season' when many males would be on the move and may hone in on the same female/s, (in this way claiming 'territory'). But then a female chooses anyway, either accepting (receptive color) or not (non receptive color), though horny males pumped with testosterone may still fight.
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sandrachameleon
Chameleon Enthusiast
I recommend 24x24x48 for both males and females.
Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
I fail to see how 2 square feet or 3 is better than 4? How much space does a female veiled have in yemen?
The only sound reasoning ive ever heard is that food should be easily found (young or sick animals).
Why should a healthy female be any less capable of defending itself or be of a more 'nervous' disposition than a male?
Provided with plentiful visual security (plants) from potential predators, is see no reason to discriminate on space.
Cain, what is exactly is implied by the term 'territorial' as it pertains to species?
In most cases it seems to refer to agressive tendencys shown toward another (usually another male) when encountered up close. Ive never read of them patroling a particular area/tree/bush. (a home range/either sex) Videos of 'territorial aggression' usually depict two males on the same branch.
It might be interesting to see data regarding wild numbers for a given area, as would long term radio tracking data.
The only relative theme I can forsee with accepting 'Territorial' in this respect/context, would perhaps be either, protecting a particular branch they happen to be on at the time (less competition for any food that might appear) or if the species has a particular 'breeding season' when many males would be on the move and may hone in on the same female/s, (in this way claiming 'territory'). But then a female chooses anyway, either accepting (receptive color) or not (non receptive color), though horny males pumped with testosterone may still fight.
My recommendations are based on my observations keeping both males and females of this species for several years.
My males DO patrol their territory and my females tend to have a favorite observation spot that they spend most of their time in and it is my feeling that they are most comfortable with a couple of solid walls behind them and not too much territory to manage.
In this situation the females are not frightened of me or anything else happening in the room.
I have kept females in larger enclosures where they struggle to find a spot with this kind of security and behave in a much more "stressed" manner.
How many females have you kept Jo?
-Brad
Additionally, I would add that I have acquired adult females in the past where I have been informed by the seller that they are shy, mean, always hiding, etc.
This behavior changes dramatically shortly after they are placed in a smaller enclosure as described.
-B.
jojackson
New Member
None. This is not to say I haven't seen females kept in spacious cages do just fine. (Homers mother was)
Perhaps you need a smaller cage Brad, you sound a little stressed. Why take offence at my questioning the theory behind it?
Again, the 'territory' your talking about (captive) is a tiny space of a few square feet.
How far will it roam if you left it to its own devices outside? I bet neither would hang around in one place for long.
It's hardly surprising either sex will favor the most suitable perch within a limited enviroment.
Its your responsiblity to provide, "a spot with this kind of security ". what has cage size to do with that? The whole point of designing the captive enviroment is for the comfort and wellbeing of the animals you expect to thrive therein.
Maybe its simply that you offered better enviromental/husbandry conditions in general.
I like to think Brad. It's not intended to offend.
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Brad Ramsey
Retired Moderator
I'm not offended
Or stressed
I just provided some information and tried to answer your questions about it.
Again, this comes from my experience and time with this species.
-Brad
Or stressed
I just provided some information and tried to answer your questions about it.
Again, this comes from my experience and time with this species.
-Brad
