95f, basking temp for 2 month old panther?

[cyberlocc]

Hey guys I am having issues with my panther not eating. I asked here for advice, and got some which I am using ATM.

However to see any other possible options, I asked LLL reptile who I bought the cham from.

They are telling me that I have the enclosure way to cold and it needs a basking spot of 95F?

Everything I have read goes 100% against this but that is what they are saying. So should I raise the temp?

 

[cyberlocc]

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[jannb]

I keep two month olds much cooler than 95. I recommend keeping them in the low to mid 80's. He may be dehydrated. That would keep him from eating. Also the feeder could be to large for him. I feed two month old panthers fruit flies, pinhead crickets, Phoenix worms and freshly hatched mantis. You might find my blog linked below helpful.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-with-young-veiled-or-panther-chameleons.325/

 

[alphakenc]

I agree with the Veiled Goddess,95F is way too hot for a 2month old panther baby,put it this way,when they hatched from the eggs,the temperature is absolutely below 80F,why in the world a tiny 2month old needs a 95F degree,he is too young to get burn,then get wrinkle skin and die eventually....we dont want that to happen,do we

 

[cyberlocc]

I keep two month olds much cooler than 95. I recommend keeping them in the low to mid 80's. He may be dehydrated. That would keep him from eating. Also the feeder could be to large for him. I feed two month old panthers fruit flies, pinhead crickets, Phoenix worms and freshly hatched mantis. You might find my blog linked below helpful.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-with-young-veiled-or-panther-chameleons.325/

Thanks Jann, Ya I though so too. As far as feeding, well the first day I had him he ate 2 1/4 inch crickets, after that a few 1/2in mealworms. since the mealworms he will only eat mealworms.

I tried small stuff, I tried smaller crickets, Baby dubias (probably about 1/8, Dermestid beetles (small ones, 2 of which 1/16 of a inch) slightly larger dubia, melanogaster and hydei. Since he got the taste of those couple of mealworms that was it.
Yesterday I tried to give him a small mealworm that was freshly molted (it was bigger than the ones he ate) I rubbed it against his mouth. He bit it and dropped it . the pet store got small Supers in stock today though so I gave him some of those an hour ago. Have not checked back (as per other advice I am trying to leave him alone as much as possible (i have a promist so just feed). I also have Baby Supers, Silk eggs, and butter worms coming (I know the butters are likely too big but they were on sale for cheap, and live for awhile)

I also dont know how old he is actually (or that he is a he, lol again that is the most guessed). Guesses have been 2-2.5 months though. The space between his eyes on the top, is just shy of 1/4 inch. He is about 2 inches long (not including tail)

I agree with the Veiled Goddess,95F is way too hot for a 2month old panther baby,put it this way,when they hatched from the eggs,the temperature is absolutely below 80F,why in the world a tiny 2month old needs a 95F degree,he is too young to get burn,then get wrinkle skin and die eventually....we dont want that to happen,do we

Ya I thought so too, and was told that by a few people (some were vets) just wanted to make sure. there care sheet (which I am assuming they are going by) also says this little gem lol " However, for those concerned about their chameleons, use of a60 watt nightlight red bulb will often provide plenty of heat for your chameleon at night."

 

[alphakenc]

Thats good u are on point, and u can skip that part with the night light,unless temperature is dropping down way way below ,how is the cham doing now??

 

[cyberlocc]

Thats good u are on point, and u can skip that part with the night light,unless temperature is dropping down way way below ,how is the cham doing now??

He is doing the same pretty much.

I just went and pulled the supers out, he didn't eat any of them.

However, he normally only goes to the cup to eat at around 4:30-5, I didn't get back from the pet store till about 6, so I will try again tomorrow . I hope he eats.

He doenst look sick, his eyes are not sunken in, he is very active. Acting fine just not eating.

 

[alphakenc]

My suggest to u is,count 20 feeders tiny size as possible ,put in the containers not too small enough for him to see them easily,then leave him be till at the end of night,recount ur tiny feeder,just to see how many he eats,cause sometimes the young chamies wont eat in front of u cause u are a threat in their tiny eyes.

 

[alphakenc]

Feeders like 1week old crickets,even fruit fly ,Im not too crazy about the superworm tho

 

[KapitalJ]

He is doing the same pretty much.

I just went and pulled the supers out, he didn't eat any of them.

I will try again tomorrow . I hope he eats.

You asked for advise on this issue yesterday. Members had suggested that you just leave him alone for a day or so to let him chill.

My opinion is that you are stressing him out. You seem to be in and out of his enclosure many times a day.

 

[cyberlocc]

You asked for advise on this issue yesterday. Members had suggested that you just leave him alone for a day or so to let him chill.

My opinion is that you are stressing him out. You seem to be in and out of his enclosure many times a day.

I said that I got that advice and followed in post number 5.
"(as per other advice I am trying to leave him alone as much as possible (i have a promist so just feed)"

I put the black out drape over his cage and opened 1 time to put his food in, then after he was asleep I took the food out. That was it.

Are you saying dont even do that? Dont give him any food at all?

And this post wasnt about this issue, it was about what I was told from LLL regarding temperatures.

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There is how his cage has been since getting that advice. He cant see me I cant see him. Until I open it to put food in.

 

[cyberlocc]

Feeders like 1week old crickets,even fruit fly ,Im not too crazy about the superworm tho

I have done that, except I have to put the food in and take it out in between mists. The promist soaks his cage (including the feeder cup) they will drown.

He seems to only want to eat around 5, so I can put it in at 2:40, and take it out at 5:25. Or I can put it in at 5:35, and leave it till he goes to sleep.

Yesterday I put it in at 6pm and left it till 9, he goes to sleep around 7.

 

[alphakenc]

The promist soaks his cage (including the feeder cup) they will drown.

U can always think outside the box by puting a "temporary cover"on ur feeder cup so u dont have to take the feeder in and out n disturbing the tiny little cham.
And sometimes the baby cham prefer freerange crickets feeder,u can also give that a try.

 

[KapitalJ]

Are you saying dont even do that? Dont give him any food at all?

That was my suggestion yes. Just my opinion. Not sure if it is the best advise. But I personally would not offer food, or go in the enclosure for a good day. You did say he had a mister I believe.

Feeder cup - I put holes in the bottom of all my feeder cups to allow any water to drain out.

I hope he starts eating for you man!

 

[cyberlocc]

U can always think outside the box by puting a "temporary cover"on ur feeder cup so u dont have to take the feeder in and out n disturbing the tiny little cham.
And sometimes the baby cham prefer freerange crickets feeder,u can also give that a try.

Not sure what a temporary cover would be? example, idea?

As far as free ranging, s/he never ate the free range crickets. The few s/he did eat were right in front of her and in the cup. Also dont have PHs or access to them have to get them off the net. They would also escape my cage in a freerange environment. The drain holes are 1/8inch and there is a whole lot of them.

 

[cyberlocc]

That was my suggestion yes. Just my opinion. Not sure if it is the best advise. But I personally would not offer food, or go in the enclosure for a good day. You did say he had a mister I believe.

Feeder cup - I put holes in the bottom of all my feeder cups to allow any water to drain out.

I hope he starts eating for you man!

Okay I will do that, I wont even feed today. Yes I have a mister, Yes I have holes in the feeder cup, but they dont drain fast enough for the serious amounts of water the mister puts out.

I go through about 3/4 of a gallon a day with the mister.

 

[KapitalJ]

Yes I have holes in the feeder cup, but they dont drain fast enough

Maybe you could cut out the bottom of the feeder cup and screen the bottom?

 

[alphakenc]

Not sure what a temporary cover would be? example, idea?

Show me ur feeder cup,n i will entertain u with my imagination,we can always have another solution to prevent the mist get in the cup n kill all the feeders.

 

[alphakenc]

@cyberlocc Are u still there,internet traffic should be pretty light right now...take a kodak moment n let me see.

 

[cyberlocc]

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@cyberlocc Are u still there,internet traffic should be pretty light right now...take a kodak moment n let me see.

Ya lol give me a sec

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