5.0 vs. 10.0

[Nicholasdeaan]

So someone is saying, or should I they are making a claim that using a 5.0 over a veiled chameleon will stunt its growth while using a 10.0 will let it reach its full potential and growth and be much healthier in comparison to the veiled that was raised under a 5.0 bulb. I then had a friend of theirs butt in and tell me that I am stunting growth on my chameleons by using a 5.0 and that they aren't as healthy as they should be.

I'm not concerned about my chameleons I know they are healthy.

I just wanted to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

The picture I attached is a picture of two veileds that are approximately the same age. One was raised under 5.0 and the other was raised under 10.0. They said that this is about the average size difference between a veiled that was raised under a 5.0 and a veiled that was raised under a 10.0 bulb and claims he has done it with hundreds. Is there any truth to this?

 

[Theveiled]

I have my veiled under a 5.0 because thats what I was told to do. If I see many on here say a 10.0 is better I will change next time I change the bulb

 

[Chameleomom]

I listened to what Todd from LightYourReptiles told me was right for my setup and chameleon. It runs a 6% Arcadia bulb

 

[Theveiled]

So someone is saying, or should I they are making a claim that using a 5.0 over a veiled chameleon will stunt its growth while using a 10.0 will let it reach its full potential and growth and be much healthier in comparison to the veiled that was raised under a 5.0 bulb. I then had a friend of theirs butt in and tell me that I am stunting growth on my chameleons by using a 5.0 and that they aren't as healthy as they should be.

I'm not concerned about my chameleons I know they are healthy.

I just wanted to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

The picture I attached is a picture of two veileds that are approximately the same age. One was raised under 5.0 and the other was raised under 10.0. They said that this is about the average size difference between a veiled that was raised under a 5.0 and a veiled that was raised under a 10.0 bulb and claims he has done it with hundreds. Is there any truth to this?

I know some parasites can stunt growth. The picture has a huge diffrence and I am actually wondering if they are the same age.

 

[Chameleomom]

Chameleons are unique and can grow at different rates..

 

[Nursemaia]

I used 10.0 bulbs and recently upgraded to 12% Arcadia bulbs because I have densely planted enclosures. 5.0 wasn't strong enough due to the foliage

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

The point is he claims that the sole difference between the two different sizes of those chameleons are from the bulbs he uses. But he said he has done this with hundreds of veileds and I am not convinced.

 

[Remkon]

@rambonerzilla has a veiled that's bigger than godzilla... I wonder if he has a 5.0 or a 10.0 lamp.

 

[Nursemaia]

I understand the point. There are many different variables besides bulb strength that can affect growth. For example is the bulbs rays able to effectively reach the animal or is it filtered by plants and screening. Nutrition and feeding would also play a role. For this to be a valid claim all variables would have to be accounted for and there would have to be a control group in the experiment.

 

[Nursemaia]

@rambonerzilla has a veiled that's bigger than godzilla... I wonder if he has a 5.0 or a 10.0 lamp.

His is huge because he feeds him pizza and TMNT ooze

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

I understand the point. There are many different variables besides bulb strength that can affect growth. For example is the bulbs rays able to effectively reach the animal or is it filtered by plants and screening. Nutrition and feeding would also play a role. For this to be a valid claim all variables would have to be accounted for and there would have to be a control group in the experiment.

All he had to show were weights and age. That's it. I told him he needed to account for the other variables. But then to say if use 5.0 your Chameleons won't be healthy? I mean come on.

 

[Nursemaia]

All he had to show were weights and age. That's it. I told him he needed to account for the other variables. But then to say if use 5.0 your Chameleons won't be healthy? I mean come on.

If that is all he has to his claim I say it holds no water. There's no emperical evidence supporting it. A keeper has to choose lights based on what is best for their animals. Chams don't need a lot of uvb and a 5.0 should be fine. I need something stronger because a lot of mine is filtered out.

 

[rambonerzilla]

@rambonerzilla has a veiled that's bigger than godzilla... I wonder if he has a 5.0 or a 10.0 lamp.

10.0 12% uvb arcadia and a 6500k seaworld from lightyourreptiles.com

 

[rambonerzilla]

His is huge because he feeds him pizza and TMNT ooze

Shhhhh don't tell my teenage mutant ninja chameleon secret @Nursemaia

 

[Nursemaia]

Shhhhh don't tell my teenage mutant ninja chameleon secret @Nursemaia

Sorry it will stay between us and we definitely don't want to alert the cham fuzz that you have ooze

 

[rambonerzilla]

His is huge because he feeds him pizza and TMNT ooze

And cause I'm in texas yall

 

[Decadancin]

I don't want to say there is nothing to this claim, because I don't know enough to make that statement. I will say there are too many other variables to make such a blanket statement. Not the least of which is genetics. You would need too many controls to be able to make solid claims about it. There are different sized chameleons in the wild and they are often in the exact lighting environments.

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

I've used 5.0 for veileds. With plenty of success. But his argument " there's a difference between thriving and surviving." No shit sherlock! Your cages look bare minimum and like crap. Not to mention veileds are the easiest speicies to keep. Guess what page it was on? Chameleon Central USA. That page is such a joke. There's a lot of good keeps and people on there. Then comes along some jackwads who get butthurt when you disagree with their little Facebook cult...geesh lol

 

[andy27012]

I just received a chameleon from a very well known and respected breeder in this community. They advised a 5.0 t8, I didn't ask about 10.0 or t5ho as this is what has worked for them for a very long time.

 

[Nicholasdeaan]

I don't want to say there is nothing to this claim, because I don't know enough to make that statement. I will say there are too many other variables to make such a blanket statement. Not the least of which is genetics. You would need too many controls to be able to make solid claims about it. There are different sized chameleons in the wild and they are often in the exact lighting environments.

Well being that veils are from high UV areas his argument is that a 10.0 is crucial for their health while a 5.0 just doesn't cut it. I don't think he took how much the Chameleons are eating, parasites or genetics and excetera. While I am no expert on lighting I think it is a pretty blatant statement myself.