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In my opinion that's the only point where we won't get any problems (maybe beside calyptratus which are so unbelievable hardy in comparison to other chams) Within all other species weak chameleons die just too fast to do any harm in terms of getting bad genetics/bloodlines.

And before I forget them: Aren't the campanis the perfect argument for my points ? I don't have exact numbers of how many entered the US (is there sth like a database for this ?) but I can't remember many/any success stories, despite the fact that the animals were even sold on reasonable prices...

That is the main point and in my opinion it will make the decision between the next failure in establishing species or a small step on the right way. As I stated before, the limiting factors are mainly space and money. So if the quotas go to the typical mass importers they will sell the animals...

So my two cents as well: If Chris' opinion is said to be realistic, mine will probably seen negative but I highly doubt that the new quotas for those chameleons bring much benefits to the chameleon community. First of all I would the describe the chameleon market in general as some sort of...

2.2 Bradypodion damaranum adult animals, one pair 690€ both pairs 1200€ 1.0 Bradypodion pumilum adult 150€ 0.1 Bradypodion transvaalense adult 190€

Unfortunately it will not happen ...

Haha. Do you know the video where this guy from the Republican party is saying that its impossible to explain the tides :D

Haha, this poll created by the news station of the party which thinks that everybody should have the right to buy automatic guns. Sorry to say guys, I know I will get an infraction, but this is ridiculous :D

In English please ;-) Shipping animals from one to another country is very expensive. Flight costs minimum 300$, papers min 100$.

@fluxlizard: good posts ! We are talking here about Chamaeleo calyptratus. Of course they can be housed 2-3 weeks in a standard terrarium, even in one of those with horrible ventilation. Why ? Because calyptratus are the leopard geckos of the chameleons. The whole screen/glass thing seems to...

Why waste money and buy artifical branches ? I just dont understand ...

Hello, I have some species for sale in Hamm: 2.0 Trioceros jacksonii merumontanus, one of them 75€ the other one 100€ For a friend: 2.2 Furcifer willsii 1.1 Bradypodion pumilum 1.1 Calumma parsonii cristifer If you have any questions please send me a mail at eisentrauti at...

The real problem is that now many many people will try such crosses. Especially if they can sell the offspring just for 10$ than veileds sell for... :(

well said @all: maybe some guys should read Chris' posts in the pardalisxlateralis thread. What's very sad for our hobby: If those would be "just" gracilis juveniles or if there would be a thread "just" about a gracilis thread I bet that there wont be not anywhere near as many posts and or...

Amen, Chris ! At least I'm not the only person with those thoughts

That's exactly the direction I thought it would end. Does a cross bring more money than a pure one. I'll bet many people plan now to try crosses too. Poor hobby ...

@Franckcham: Can I ask you how many pm's you already got from people who want to reserve some of the crosses ?

At least if you have the intention be called "a serious keeper" you would never just for fun try to cross different species. But thats just my opinion. Some more arguments: Whats good in having sterile offspring (if they produce really eggs and if they really hatch) ? Whats good in wasting...

Well said, Chris ! Nowadays many people are completely against reptile keeping, because of problems with alien species or because they are just "animal-lovers", peta or other crap groups or just because they dont like them and they dont see any purpose in people keeping completely wild animals...

Depends mainly on the exact dimensions of your enclosure. When the tank is relative deep and the doors are far away and not that big a fan is not a bad idea