Veiled scratching at floor.

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Chameleon Info:

* Your Chameleon -Jose is a Male Veiled Chameleon, aprox 2 years old, in my care 6-7 months.
* Handling - Rarely
* Feeding - Every other day 6-8 crickets/mealworms. Gut loaded with store bought cricket food and fresh veggies.
* Supplements - store bought calcium supplement. Not sure brand off hand.
* Watering - Mist once a day till there are fine droplets on all surfaces. Chameleon drinks from a dripping system. I usually "see" him drinking every other day or so.


Cage Info:

* Cage Type - glass/screen combo. Not sure actual dimensions. I open the front of the cage once a day for a bit to make sure new air is circulating in and out.
* Lighting - 2 light fixture. One heat light one full spectrum grow bulb
* Temperature - generally around 80 in the bottom of the cage 90-100 at hottest point right by bulb
* Humidity - I don't measure humidity. I just mist once a day till everything has nice small droplets on it.
* Plants - All the plants are on the "ok" list. There are no bites out of any leaves just checked yesterday so he's not eating any of them. The bottom has a layer of soil capped with woodchips.
* Placement - it's in the corner of a dining room. The room is the least used in the house
* Location - Philadelphia, PA


Current Problem - For the past 2-3 days I've been spotting Jose walking on the bottom of his cage. In some cases he's sort of scratching in the corner. He's not really digging so much as just scratching at the corner of the glass. This is very unusual since he rarely comes down from the tip tops of his vines/branches and I've never before seen him interacting with the glass/cage itself. He does move around frequently but tends to stay in the upper branches. Not sure if this is relevant but he hasn't been quite as excited about his food recently. He used to immediately go to his food container the instant I put it in. The past couple weeks he's sort of eyed it for a bit and usually eats later. He finishes all bugs within the day. All other signs point to good health. He is nicely colored, drinking water, and is active during the daytime whether basking or strolling around. I know it's unusual for chameleons to leave the trees so I was a bit worried. Should I be? Any ideas? Is it possible I was misinformed and the chameleon is a female??? I took the previous owners at their word as they owned her for over a year previously with no egg laying. I forgot to note that Jose is no plumper than usual and doesn't seem anywhere near as fat as photos of gravid females I have seen.
 
Does your chameleon have spurs on the heels of the back feet (little bumps)? If not then you have a female and she's looking for a place to lay eggs and you need to get a laying bin in there asap so she will not become egg bound.
I'm attachining a laying bin/egg laying blog for you below to give you more info about egg laying and the laying bin. If you have a male then MAYBE he's trying to cool off at the bottom or get out of that heat.
Next get those thems way down. You are cooking your cham in that glass. I keep my adult male's hottest spot at 88 or 89 and my female's at 80. The mid part of the enclosure needs to be in the mid 70's and the bottom low 70's. Do you have a UVB light? We need to know more about your lighting and supplements. Please fill out the Ask For Help Form and post some pictures so that we can help you.
I'm also attaching my blog for general care and the ask for help form.
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/jannb/345-egg-laying-laying-bin.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...ung-veiled-panther-chameleons.html#comment835
https://www.chameleonforums.com/how-ask-help-66/
 
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I will reduce temperature asap. Only directly by the bulb is it 90+ but the rest of the enclosure does hover around 80 or slightly below which from what you're saying is still too hot. I have all the supplies on hand for an egg laying bin so as soon as I verify the sex %100 I will build assemble that (out of the house atm). I got much of my care info from other sources and just ran across these forums. It appears I was misinformed on some of the topics such as heat so thank you for the resources. I feel terrible being so ignorant : ( I will post photos and fill in the specifics on the help request sheet as soon as I get home.
 
Chameleon Info:

* Your Chameleon -Jose is a FEMALE Veiled Chameleon, aprox 2 years old, in my care 6-7 months.
* Handling - Rarely
* Feeding - Every other day 6-8 crickets/mealworms. Gut loaded with flukers cricket food and fresh veggies. Jose also eats small amounts of collard greens.
* Supplements - Using fluker's calcium powder with vitamin D3 Not sure brand off hand. I coat the crickets at every other feeding.
* Watering - Mist once a day till there are fine droplets on all surfaces. Chameleon drinks from a dripping system. I usually "see" her drinking every other day or so.


Cage Info:

* Cage Type - Zoo-Med glass/screen combo. I open the front of the cage once a day for a bit to make sure new air is circulating in and out.
* Lighting - 2 light fixture. One reptiglow uvb 5.0. The other is a generic full spectrum uv grow light bulb.
* Temperature - generally around 80 in the bottom of the cage 90-100 at hottest point right by bulb I've reduced temps to 75ish at the bottom to 80-85 near the top.
* Humidity - I don't measure humidity. I just mist once a day till everything has nice small droplets on it.
* Plants - Pathos
* Placement - it's in the corner of a dining room. The room is the least used in the house
* Location - Philadelphia, PA

Well first off, I updated the help sheet with as much info as I could. I have confirmed that Jose is in fact a Female. I guess I ought to think up a more feminine name. I instantly built an egg laying bin with damp play sand just in case. I placed a bucket with about 10-12 inches of sand into her enclosure. From pictures I've seen of gravid females, she doesn't seem near plump enough but better to be safe than sorry. There were some footprints in the sand today when I came back from work but no obvious signs of digging. I also reduced temperatures to the more acceptable levels suggested. I haven't observed any of the for-mentioned digging behavior since my initial post.

As I said before, Jose has for the most part been acting normal, at least when observed. Yesterday and today she went to sleep earlier than usual but I attribute that to turning the lights off early to keep the heat down. It is normal for her to almost immediately go to sleep when the lights go out.

So here are some pictures taken tonight. She woke up as I was taking the pictures and puffed up a bit. I couldn't get a fantastic angle just because of where she was perched. I didn't really want to pick her up and disturb her. I would like your opinions on whether she is plump enough to be gravid. Is there any way for me to know for sure??? Do I just leave the egg laying bin in her cage and hope for the best? Thanks in advance!

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Your chameleon needs three supplements to dust her feeders with. Calcium without d3 at everyother feeding. Calcium with d3 twice a month and a mulit vit. once or twice a month. You can see the ones I use in the blog below. I would also recommend some liquid calcium.....a drop every week or two.

What kind of light is your UVB? Coil or tube style? I would not turn her lights off early just raise them up off the enclosure. IMO you really should get a screen cage it would not get as hot as glass and have way more ventilation.

From the pictures she could have infertile eggs as hot as you've been keeping her and with all the food it's very possible. They don't always look fat before they lay. I would recommend keeping the laying bin in the enclosure at all times. The only way to know for sure would be an x-ray. I have more signs of laying in the blog above.

I would cut back on the food and try a larger variety of feeders. Mealworms are not the best feeders for chams IMO.

https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...ung-veiled-panther-chameleons.html#comment835
 
Jann Im going to supply some advice I've seen you give as I don't think the OP will know this but try starting a tunnel for her, this way she'll be able to dig from there.. If that's correct (sorry I own only males)
 
Hi,
It can be difficult to determine if they are definitely gravid or not - sometimes they look huge sometimes not! Keep an eye on her colouring too - normally gravid females will have a much darker colouring - trying searching for female gravid colouration on Google so you get an idea of the colours to watch out for.

It can take a cham several days to lay once they have decided to start nest seeking behaviour so it's best to leave the bin in her tank. Keep an eye on the texture of the sand too - make sure it stays damp and 'sticky' so that it doesn't collapse on her once she begins to dig.

And you really should start measuring humidity - laying eggs is a big strain on a cham and now more than ever she needs to be well hydrated to get though it.
 
Since you already have all the help you need, I figured id chime in with a more girl name for JOSE. you can add a Y on the end and make it Josey. :D
 
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