Two New Imports

[bobcochran]

A high parasite load isn't a reason to treat a new import

I agree with this. A really high parasite load is probably a reason not to treat for parasites. Killing all of the parasites would leave big holes
in the intestines and else where, causing internal bleeding and probably death of the chameleon.

 

[Blang]

I agree with this. A really high parasite load is probably a reason not to treat for parasites. Killing all of the parasites would leave big holes
in the intestines and else where, causing internal bleeding and probably death of the chameleon.

Then in your opinion what would be the course of action to take?

 

[jajeanpierre]

Then in your opinion what would be the course of action to take?

Just think of what those animals, especially the female has gone through recently. Newly imported and shipped to a middleman Monday, taken out of the box and reshipped to you Tuesday, arriving Wednesday. Thursday the female laid eggs. And you are talking about worming?

My suggestion is to work really hard to keep that female alive because just based on what has happened to her, I would think she has a very high chance of dying. Hydrate them and treat them as the fragile creatures they are right now. Worming would not be something I would even think about for a couple of months if at all possible.

 

[Blang]

Just think of what those animals, especially the female has gone through recently. Newly imported and shipped to a middleman Monday, taken out of the box and reshipped to you Tuesday, arriving Wednesday. Thursday the female laid eggs. And you are talking about worming?

My suggestion is to work really hard to keep that female alive because just based on what has happened to her, I would think she has a very high chance of dying. Hydrate them and treat them as the fragile creatures they are right now. Worming would not be something I would even think about for a couple of months if at all possible.[/QUOTE I never said I was positively going to worm them! And I also realize and hear what you posted! I'm retired so I spend more time with them then most keepers on here for the most part! I didn't get them and just put them in the cage and walk away & hope there going to be fine! I had chams in late 1999 so its not my first time keeping them!

I was curious as to what bobs suggestion would be! I never said I was positively worming them!!!!! There both stressed out enough already ! I'm retired & spend lots of time with my animals! And I'm not stupid either! Plus if you were by the importer & saw the animals I supposedly got & was told the female was gravid why didn't you recommend a laying bin? Both of mine went through a lot from Monday until Wednesday granted! But my female didn't get eggbound & die @ the importer waiting to lay eggs! So I guess you can say whatever you want! Mine are well taken care of!

 

[jajeanpierre]

I was curious as to what bobs suggestion would be! I never said I was positively worming them!!!!! There both stressed out enough already ! I'm retired & spend lots of time with my animals! And I'm not stupid either! Plus if you were by the importer & saw the animals I supposedly got & was told the female was gravid why didn't you recommend a laying bin? Both of mine went through a lot from Monday until Wednesday granted! But my female didn't get eggbound & die @ the importer waiting to lay eggs! So I guess you can say whatever you want! Mine are well taken care of!

I'm sorry if I have offended you--that certainly wasn't my intent although I have to agree, my choice of wording wasn't the best. I feel that the terrible attrition rate of newly imported animals does not need to be.

Your female isn't out of the woods yet.

Wild caughts are just plain challenging. They look good one day and want to die the next. They are humbling They can decide to die because they are not happy with the amount of cover (too much, too little) or if they feel penned in. Some of that is species dependent and sometimes it is the preference of an individual.

Have you ever successfully dealt with wild caughts before? Many will be two steps forward, one step back, one step forward, two steps back..... They are just not easy and the older and bigger they are, the harder they take import. Gravid females are particularly difficult.

 

[Blang]

I'm sorry if I have offended you--that certainly wasn't my intent although I have to agree, my choice of wording wasn't the best. I feel that the terrible attrition rate of newly imported animals does not need to be.

Your female isn't out of the woods yet.

Wild caughts are just plain challenging. They look good one day and want to die the next. They are humbling They can decide to die because they are not happy with the amount of cover (too much, too little) or if they feel penned in. Some of that is species dependent and sometimes it is the preference of an individual.

Have you ever successfully dealt with wild caughts before? Many will be two steps forward, one step back, one step forward, two steps back..... They are just not easy and the older and bigger they are, the harder they take import. Gravid females are particularly difficult.

I had WC chams already in 1998-2000 full of nematodes under the skin! So im not new to the challenge of WC animals! And I just don't buy from anybody! And I always ask for pictures of the animals I'm looking at buying! Both are eating & drinking so far!