ciafardo 4
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has anyone seen the trans veileds fl chams has for sale i want one so bad but i dont got the coin at the moment
translucent veileds
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FOREVER ENDEAVOR
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yeah i saw them yesterday.. sweet..
ciafardo 4
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do you guys know how many hes got?
ciafardo 4
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fl chams i mean not carl wonder how many look like the pic
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yeah the male he has pictured is going to be amazing...
sorry i ment baby..for some reason i though it was a male baby...
yeah 750!!!! wow.
sorry i ment baby..for some reason i though it was a male baby...
yeah 750!!!! wow.
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SoCaliSon
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Ouch...Talk about some serious Coin!!!
I would imagine that the one in the pic is the Sire. None of them will look like that right now considering the ones he is selling are only 2 months.
Edit: I just saw the pic of the Baby on there... Can't tell the sex...but it looks Killer!
...Talk about some serious Coin!!!I would imagine that the one in the pic is the Sire. None of them will look like that right now considering the ones he is selling are only 2 months.
Edit: I just saw the pic of the Baby on there... Can't tell the sex...but it looks Killer!
ciafardo 4
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they have a pic of the 2 month old socal
ciafardo 4
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i remember the article your right i dont care they look unreal
ciafardo 4
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thats worth checkin out thanks alot!
SoCaliSon
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I was tempted by these as well... Never heard of them though... I Decided to pass. Yuo get what you pay for... And with Mike we know that you will get quality... Hence $200 and $300 sounds really low.
Rocky
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what is the difference in low ends exactly? From what I understand if you breed a low end to a normal cham you get 1/2 normal 1/2 low end and if you breed low end to low end you get 1/2 normal 1/4 low end 1/4 high end. thats about all i understood any other info would be great because I have no idea what the low ends look like as adults just what i've seen in your 2 studs which i assume are high end
Justin Carl
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Hey everyone.....
Did someone say translucents?
Like Mike said, their is a big difference between a high end and a low end.
The ones pictured on Mike's website is a gorgeous high end.
The ones Midwest Herpetoculture are selling are low ends.
What are the differences, you ask?
It's much more difficult to produce a high end, then to produce a low end.
You can get a low end by breeding a low to a normal.
It's not very hard, so that results in a much lower price point.
A high end can be produced by breeding two lows together or two highs togerther.
Now, in order to keep from inbreeding, Mike outcrossed the translucent gene with several WC's.
He bred his high ends to WC's which produces lots of low ends.
This kind of breeding takes a long time, and that's why you have higher price on high end translucents.
Here is my understanding of the gene, if it is co-dominant.
In the translucent gene you have two options, low and high.
In a low end only one of the genes is translucent and the other is normal.
In a high end both are translucent.
Their are no "hets" in co-dominant genes, unless you want to call a low end a "het".
High to high produces 100% high ends
High to low produces 75% high 25% low(not sure) I don't know of anyone thats done it
Low to low produces 50% high 50% low
Low to normal produces 25% low 75% normal(not sure) I don't know if anyones done it.
The translucent gene completely changes the apperance of the animal.
For some reason, even the low end translucents, their colors are electric.
The blues are flourecent, the yellow are as bright as the sun, and my male is a neon orange.
A good high end looks incredible, and their colors are always random.
I love translucents, and that's why I have three.
I hope that helped you guys out.
Did someone say translucents?
Like Mike said, their is a big difference between a high end and a low end.
The ones pictured on Mike's website is a gorgeous high end.
The ones Midwest Herpetoculture are selling are low ends.
What are the differences, you ask?
It's much more difficult to produce a high end, then to produce a low end.
You can get a low end by breeding a low to a normal.
It's not very hard, so that results in a much lower price point.
A high end can be produced by breeding two lows together or two highs togerther.
Now, in order to keep from inbreeding, Mike outcrossed the translucent gene with several WC's.
He bred his high ends to WC's which produces lots of low ends.
This kind of breeding takes a long time, and that's why you have higher price on high end translucents.
Here is my understanding of the gene, if it is co-dominant.
In the translucent gene you have two options, low and high.
In a low end only one of the genes is translucent and the other is normal.
In a high end both are translucent.
Their are no "hets" in co-dominant genes, unless you want to call a low end a "het".
High to high produces 100% high ends
High to low produces 75% high 25% low(not sure) I don't know of anyone thats done it
Low to low produces 50% high 50% low
Low to normal produces 25% low 75% normal(not sure) I don't know if anyones done it.
The translucent gene completely changes the apperance of the animal.
For some reason, even the low end translucents, their colors are electric.
The blues are flourecent, the yellow are as bright as the sun, and my male is a neon orange.
A good high end looks incredible, and their colors are always random.
I love translucents, and that's why I have three.
I hope that helped you guys out.
Justin Carl
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By the way, Mike, those guys are SWEET!
*I couldn't edit my post*
It has been too long.
Rocky
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I think you got everything down but this. I am just going off what I just learned in Biololgy, but if the genes are like I assume it goes like this
The translucent gene would be shown by a lower case "a"
The normal gene would be shown by an upper case "A"
If there is a recessive "translucent" gene in there at all it will show it, but if it is full recessive it will show it a lot more.
A low end translucent would be Aa
A high end translucent would be aa
And a normal would be AA
You can determine what will come out of their crosses by making a square diagram type thing
If the parents are normal x with a high end it would look like this
A A
a Aa Aa
a Aa Aa
So normal with a high end should produce 100% low end translucent
If its low end with normal it would look like this
A a
A AA Aa
A AA Aa
So it would make 1/2 low end 1/2 normal
If it were low end to low end it would make a lot more various types
A a
A AA Aa
a Aa aa
So here you would get 1/4 normal 1/4 high end 1/2 low end
That is basically how i was taught to generally understand it because of course when you are doing this it is all random so it may not be exact, but it should be pretty close due to how everything matches up.
Edit: I hope to get a translucent very soon if their colors are as vibrant as you say it should be great! Those low end translucents you sent me looked pretty cool as well. It's like they were all wearing socks
Rocky
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Man this Genetics stuff gets me all confused...I'm just gonna put some little white socks on my Chams!
I can see it now. A chameleon clothing line
