tokays are pretty cool, but they are evil as all hell. i had one for three years and it was about 12 inches, personally the biggest one ive seen to date. i had to wear thick gloves to get him out for cleaning n such and he would growl and bark at me and not let go when he bit down. really beautiful tho...especially under black light. and compared to chams EASY!!!!!! mine was voracious and would go after anything i put in its cage. if youre looking or a display animal these wouldnt be bad...but like the person above said they only really come out late at night. i named it makona, which is "cruel" in hawaiian.