The Rain on Montanes Falls Mainly....Nevermind!

jpowell86

jpowell86

Chameleon Enthusiast
So, it has been one of those typical spring Texas days. Thunderstorms and rainy weather equal outside time for my montane species. They all love going out and soaking up the rain....especially Cato and Heimdall.

Well, I put them all out and I guess the weather triggered something in my K. multituberculatas. I have tried twice now to pair Heimdall with Frieda and they both wanted nothing to do with each other. Today, I realized they were mating. I am so very excited. I hope this was a successful breeding because I love this species and have been waiting a long time to find females to breed. The picture of them mating makes Heimdall look dehydrated. I took another photo after I separated them so you could see he is not. Wouldn't want anyone thinking my chameleons are thirsty!!

I do have a question that I am going to ask for those who have experience with breeding this species. Should I have separated them?? I know some chameleons have courting rituals that can take days to complete and involve multiple breedings. If I need to put them back together, please let me know. I am completely new to breeding this species and in all honesty I haven't been able to find much literature to help me out. I have asked people that supposedly had experience, but I was never given a response. So, any info would be wonderful. Maybe @Chris Anderson has some info.


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Omg how exciting ^^ seems they need some real rain to get in the mood <3. Hopefully lots of eggs will be produced and in turn many cute babies running around.
 
I've never bred this species, but of the several species I have bred it seems like it's always up to the female as to how things play out. There is plenty of individual variation even within the same species. That being said, I watch the female for cues. After the initial breeding I separate them and watch the color and behavior of the female: sometimes t they turn dark and stay that way, other times she will go back to receptive colors and I will reintroduce them. It goes without saying you have to keep a close eye on them while they're together. A good way to read the female is to put the 2 cages right next to each other and watch the behavior, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to read their desires!
Of course for the most part we all know the desires of the male, but like I said: it's the female in control.

I'm I just waiting to hear some snark from @Lathis after that last sentence! Lol

BTW, beautiful animals you have there, don't think anybody will accuse you of poor husbandry.
 
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bobcochran said:
I've never bred this species, but of the several species I have bred it seems like it's always up to the female as to how things play out. There is plenty of individual variation even within the same species. That being said, I watch the female for cues. After the initial breeding I separate them and watch the color and behavior of the female: sometimes t they turn dark and stay that way, other times she will go back to receptive colors and I will reintroduce them. It goes without saying you have to keep a close eye on them while they're together. A good way to read the female is to put the 2 cages right next to each other and watch the behavior, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to read their desires!
Of course for the most part we all know the desires of the male, but like I said: it's the female in control.

I'm I just waiting to hear some snark from @Lathis after that last sentence! Lol

BTW, beautiful animals you have there, don't think anybody will accuse you of poor husbandry.
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Thanks Bob.

You know I separated them after just because that is the common sense approach. The weird thing that confused me is that the female prior to mating had a very bold dappled look. During the mating she turned a very dark coloration. When I separated them she immediately returned to the very dappled bold coloration. Later in the day I showed her Heimdall and she went dark. So, being that I have zero breeding experience with this species, I assumed that the dappled look was her receptive coloration because I had never seen it prior to today. But if that were true, why did she return to that coloration after the mating and go dark upon seeing Heimdall? Very confusing. It would make sense if Heimdall wasn't successful and she was rejecting his return in particular, but it appeared that he finished his business. I guess I will try to show him to her tomorrow to see what coloration I get.
 
jpowell86 said:
Thanks Bob.

You know I separated them after just because that is the common sense approach. The weird thing that confused me is that the female prior to mating had a very bold dappled look. During the mating she turned a very dark coloration. When I separated them she immediately returned to the very dappled bold coloration. Later in the day I showed her Heimdall and she went dark. So, being that I have zero breeding experience with this species, I assumed that the dappled look was her receptive coloration because I had never seen it prior to today. But if that were true, why did she return to that coloration after the mating and go dark upon seeing Heimdall? Very confusing. It would make sense if Heimdall wasn't successful and she was rejecting his return in particular, but it appeared that he finished his business. I guess I will try to show him to her tomorrow to see what coloration I get.
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Good luck with them! We learn as we go!
 
Wow - you're on a roll with all your chameleons. Exciting stuff! Good luck with all of it! The photos are great. They look wonderful!

Deb
 
Hi!
Exciting.
This is what I do with mine. They are not multi but at least they belong to the same group.
I put them together if they do not show interest I separate them until I see them pairing. Then when I see the male is getting bored and not trying I move him out. I repeat this until the female rejects him.

Hope it helps. I pm you about incubation for multi. Eggs.

Hope it works out. Good luck :)
 
I just wanted to add a few more comments. Lol
I think you are right and the rain could have triggered something.
I would put them together again and watch what she does. If she wants none of it, take her out asap. Otherwise wait until they mate and move them again.
I find with my boehmei that colours are not so obvious as in other species. I would just watch the behaviour. Hope it helps.
 
Davecameos said:
I just wanted to add a few more comments. Lol
I think you are right and the rain could have triggered something.
I would put them together again and watch what she does. If she wants none of it, take her out asap. Otherwise wait until they mate and move them again.
I find with my boehmei that colours are not so obvious as in other species. I would just watch the behaviour. Hope it helps.
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Thanks Dave, that does help tremendously. Colors are obviously not as tell-tale as I would have imagined them to be. I was going to pair them again this afternoon to see what happened. I will definitely let you know what happens. Thanks again.
 
jpowell86 said:
Thanks Dave, that does help tremendously. Colors are obviously not as tell-tale as I would have imagined them to be. I was going to pair them again this afternoon to see what happened. I will definitely let you know what happens. Thanks again.
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I believe the females will show dots with colours when gravid. I cannot remember if it is pink or purple dots. I have friends who breeds them but they do not seem to remember receptive colours either. I bet it is a kinyongia thing.
I paired my boehmei 3 times until she did not want him anymore last week. Hope they do well.

:)
 
Davecameos said:
I believe the females will show dots with colours when gravid. I cannot remember if it is pink or purple dots. I have friends who breeds them but they do not seem to remember receptive colours either. I bet it is a kinyongia thing.
I paired my boehmei 3 times until she did not want him anymore last week. Hope they do well.

:)
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So, I tried introducing the two and Frieda wanted nothing to do with him at all. She has been nothing but timid since I got her and super shy. Well she came alive when she saw him and did everything but eat his face. So, I guess that answers my question. Poor Heimdall seemed very confused and basically had to run down the tree to get away from her.

Dave, do you have information on how long the gestation period is for this species? I appreciate all your information.
 
jpowell86 said:
So, I tried introducing the two and Frieda wanted nothing to do with him at all. She has been nothing but timid since I got her and super shy. Well she came alive when she saw him and did everything but eat his face. So, I guess that answers my question. Poor Heimdall seemed very confused and basically had to run down the tree to get away from her.

Dave, do you have information on how long the gestation period is for this species? I appreciate all your information.
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Max. 2 month gestation like boehmei :)
Incubation period is about 12 months.
 
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