Something doesnt seem right

[kingspade18]

So today he seems kinda weak. I couldnt get him to eat till about 10 min ago. Normally he will eat right away in the morning. He seems like hes in a daze so to speak. When i took him out his grip didnt seem as strong and his tongue shot out kinda slow and weak as well

 

[Solid Snake]

Hmmm....

Form time

(be detailed on supps, brad names ect...)


Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? What amount? What is the schedule? How are you gut-loading your feeders?
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule?
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? How often and how long to you mist? Do you see your chameleon drinking?
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites?
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions?
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule?
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)? Lowest overnight temp? How do you measure these temps?
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? How are you creating and maintaining these levels? What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind?
Placement - Where is your cage located? Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor?
Location - Where are you geographically located?


Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about.


Pictures are helpful

 

[kingspade18]

Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Male ambilobe 4mos old, been in my care 1 week
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
i handle him a few min everyday
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? Just crickest at the moment What amount? i usually hand feed 4-6 and free range the rest(about 6-8) What is the schedule? I feed within the first hr of lights being on How are you gut-loading your feeders? Just flukers orange cubes and water gel right now. I ordered some bug burger and hydro load though.
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? I only have calcium with d3 right now, i just dusted his for the first time today, i have ordered repashy calcium plus.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? I use the mistking system How often and how long to you mist? 5 min at a time, 9am, 12:30, 4:00 Do you see your chameleon drinking? yes i see him drink
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. normal brown with white urate. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? Not wile in my care
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. Well i know the breeder he came from is very reputable here so i would think his history is great.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? All screen 24x24x48
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? I have exo terra uvb, 1 10.0 coil, 1 5.0 strip and a 100 watt basking light
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)?Basking spot is about 93 bottom of cage is about 75 Lowest overnight temp? the rooms lowest temp is about 69 How do you measure these temps? digital therm
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? Dont really have a good hydrometor to test but i would say its near 60-70% How are you creating and maintaining these levels? From the mistking What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? Scheflerra
Placement - Where is your cage located? In a spare bedroom Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? no fans or vents it is at the top of the stairs so medium traffic. At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? the cage is on the floor so top is 4'
Location - Where are you geographically located? Iowa


Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about. He seems to be drab in color since he shed the other day, hanging low in the schrflerra the last few days, and today seems kinda out of it, ate later than normal, tongue was slow and weak when he did eat. Grip seems a bit weaker. Almost looks as if he might be having trouble pooping but that is just a guess.


Pictures are helpful. attached pics above

 

[Elizadolots]

Isn't he pretty!

You might try giving him so wetter feeders. If you can get silkworms or hornworms there ideal. If not, maybe wax worms or butter worms. A wetter feeder might help get the system working a little more smoothly.

I'm going to make a suggestion. I don't think this has anything to do with the problem, but I think it will help you in the end. I think you want to get a small table--something cheap you can cut holes in, Ikea would be a good place to look--and elevate that cage. That will give you the option to create a drainage system.

It will also give your chameleon the chance to loom over you on occasion. They like to loom.

 

[Solid Snake]

Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - The species, sex, and age of your chameleon. How long has it been in your care?
Male ambilobe 4mos old, been in my care 1 week
Handling - How often do you handle your chameleon?
i handle him a few min everyday
Feeding - What are you feeding your cham? Just crickest at the moment What amount? i usually hand feed 4-6 and free range the rest(about 6-8) What is the schedule? I feed within the first hr of lights being on How are you gut-loading your feeders? Just flukers orange cubes and water gel right now. I ordered some bug burger and hydro load though.
Supplements - What brand and type of calcium and vitamin products are you dusting your feeders with and what is the schedule? I only have calcium with d3 right now, i just dusted his for the first time today, i have ordered repashy calcium plus.
Watering - What kind of watering technique do you use? I use the mistking system How often and how long to you mist? 5 min at a time, 9am, 12:30, 4:00 Do you see your chameleon drinking? yes i see him drink
Fecal Description - Briefly note colors and consistency from recent droppings. normal brown with white urate. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? Not wile in my care
History - Any previous information about your cham that might be useful to others when trying to help you. Well i know the breeder he came from is very reputable here so i would think his history is great.


Cage Info:

Cage Type - Describe your cage (Glass, Screen, Combo?) What are the dimensions? All screen 24x24x48
Lighting - What brand, model, and types of lighting are you using? What is your daily lighting schedule? I have exo terra uvb, 1 10.0 coil, 1 5.0 strip and a 100 watt basking light
This/\ is the only thing that really stands out to me. That is alot of light
1x5.0 linear bulb is your best bet. Having two other uvb sources could be blinding him. This may explain why he stays at the bottom of the cage.
Do you have a picture of your light setup?
I would definitely take out everything but the basking bulb, and 5.0 UVB.
Temperature - What temp range have you created (cage floor to basking spot)?Basking spot is about 93 bottom of cage is about 75 Lowest overnight temp? the rooms lowest temp is about 69 How do you measure these temps? digital therm
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? Dont really have a good hydrometor to test but i would say its near 60-70% How are you creating and maintaining these levels? From the mistking What do you use to measure humidity?
Plants - Are you using live plants? If so, what kind? Scheflerra
Placement - Where is your cage located? In a spare bedroom Is it near any fans, air vents, or high traffic areas? no fans or vents it is at the top of the stairs so medium traffic. At what height is the top of the cage relative to your room floor? the cage is on the floor so top is 4'
Location - Where are you geographically located? Iowa


Current Problem - The current problem you are concerned about. He seems to be drab in color since he shed the other day, hanging low in the schrflerra the last few days, and today seems kinda out of it, ate later than normal, tongue was slow and weak when he did eat. Grip seems a bit weaker. Almost looks as if he might be having trouble pooping but that is just a guess.


Pictures are helpful. attached pics above

No supplements for a week would not cause these problems.
I vote its the lights

 

[kingspade18]

First pic is of the lights as i have had them, second is what it is now from your recommendation

 

[Solid Snake]

First pic is of the lights as i have had them, second is what it is now from your recommendation

Oh ok, I misunderstood your post, I thought you had three uvb sources.

A 5.0 and a 10.0 is still too much, and many will argue that one 10.0 is too much.

Looks like a winning setup to me.

The only other thing I can think of is heat.
I use a 75w for basking on mine. Everyones situation is different, and you may indeed need the 100w. You might recheck temps though, or switch to a 75w and check them to see if that will work. Thats all I can think of that may be effecting him this way

 

[kingspade18]

i just added the extra uvb over the weekend so im hoping this is what has triggered this odd behavior. time will tell i guess.

 

[Solid Snake]

i just added the extra uvb over the weekend so im hoping this is what has triggered this odd behavior. time will tell i guess.

Ok, that makes more even more sense IMO.
I have no experience with that issue, but Im betting it will correct itself soon/immediately.

 

[kingspade18]

I noticed my other panther also seeming to like lower spots but he didnt seem as off as this one. But i changed both to 1/ 5.0 linear bulb

 

[Solid Snake]

I noticed my other panther also seeming to like lower spots but he didnt seem as off as this one. But i changed both to 1/ 5.0 linear bulb

Had you been keeping the other panther under that same lighting for the same length of time?

 

[kingspade18]

Had you been keeping the other panther under that same lighting for the same length of time?

yes they have been under the same lights for same amount of time