AndrewH
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ive done that before this aint even a joke why should i have to fill that out again its emergency
Just copy and paste from your last thread to save time, or copy it onto a word doc to your pc.
Somebody help :(
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Just copy and paste from your last thread to save time, or copy it onto a word doc to your pc.
tryme said..."Brad ramseys blog says they dont think chams can use beta carotene though"...I know there is controversy over this...but nobody really knows for sure if they can or not.
You said..."also my cham gets enough d3 and uvb etc as he has a 10.0 reptisun uvb tube and i suppliment his feeds often..as brad has pointed out a little too often. So i really dont think its MBD as he is up and about now."...As I said in my previous post... I was "Not even suggesting that it could be MBD (unless there are obvious indications only a vet can tell you that)...but just giving you information".
I also tried to explain that bone health is not just about UVB and D3 but that it involves vitamin A and calcium and phosphorous. You need to have them ALL in balance. You need to look at the exposure to UVB, the supplements, what you feed the chameleon and what you feed to the insects. And I forgot to mention in the last post, but the appropriate temperatures play a part in that they help with the digestion.
You said..."also my cham gets enough d3 and uvb etc as he has a 10.0 reptisun uvb tube and i suppliment his feeds often..as brad has pointed out a little too often. So i really dont think its MBD as he is up and about now."...As I said in my previous post... I was "Not even suggesting that it could be MBD (unless there are obvious indications only a vet can tell you that)...but just giving you information".
I also tried to explain that bone health is not just about UVB and D3 but that it involves vitamin A and calcium and phosphorous. You need to have them ALL in balance. You need to look at the exposure to UVB, the supplements, what you feed the chameleon and what you feed to the insects. And I forgot to mention in the last post, but the appropriate temperatures play a part in that they help with the digestion.
Dave Weldon
Avid Member
Howdy,
Vit-All is a gutload
. Feed it to your feeder insects about a day before you feed them to your chameleon.
Tygerr
Avid Member
Sorry Dave - my bad. I just skimmed through the blurb about the product and assumed Vit-All was Sticky Tongue's version of Herptivite, but you're absolutely right - it's a gutload.Howdy,
Vit-All is a gutload
So to Tryme: I don't think Vit-All (even used as a gutload) would be an adequate replacement for Herptivite. The other candidates on that Livefoods site include Zoo-Med's Reptivite and the Medi-Vet Reptavite.
I can't find any information about the Medi-Vet product, so I can't vouch for what it contains, but these products often have both D3 and pre-formed vitamin A, which can be overdosed on - that's why the Herptivite one has always been recommended.
The Zoo-Med product contains calcium, and it has been reported that when calcium is combined with certain vitamins it may degrade them, so I've always tried to steer clear of such combos. Also, Zoo-Med's product comes in a version with D3, and a version without D3. Since you'll already be providing D3 along with your D3 calcium supplements, you should get the Reptivite without D3, but that website doesn't mention which one they're selling.
If you're referring to using the Vit-All as a gutload, then you should always be feeding it to your feeder insects for about 24hrs before you feed them off to your chams.
If you are referring to how often you should be using a multi-vitamin supplement (and we've established that Vit-All is not one), then you should use it once or twice a month, as suggested by Jannb's post and Brad's blog.
Sorry about the confusion caused regarding the Vit-All.
