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Has anyone used this with their chams? Does it work and provide enough dew on leaves? The zoo-med one, not the exo terra.
Repti Fogger
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joshdhensley
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We use them for our chameleons and they work very well, what species were you wanting to use it on? We find that they provide great humidity for our quads.
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Well I am looking into getting a panther and wanted to use it for that.
chambabysitter1
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This is how I did mine:
Hot glue, gladware dish, PVC, coolmist humidifier.
After letting some plants fill out his cage, I don't use it much unless he is shedding or it is hot out. The plants retain the humidity the best, but I live in socal.
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So does it produce any "fog"? I just want to make sure my panther stays wet cause I live in AZ and it isnt the wettest of states out there.
chambabysitter1
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Yes it produces a cool fog, it will help with humidity but does not replace misting.
Humidifier = Fogger.
Fogger/humidifier for humidity.
Mister and dripper for hydration and humidity.
Humidifier = Fogger.
Fogger/humidifier for humidity.
Mister and dripper for hydration and humidity.
nicoRamirez
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i live in Tucson and use that same style fogger. it dose produce a cool fog and makes humidity levels higher but it wont leave alot of dew on the plants inside your cage, but it will really help out during misting it will keep everything wet 10x longer than normal.
vindicatedornot
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You want a mist, not a fog. If its constantly wet and "foggy" chances are very high for your cham to get a URI. And vets are expensive. I would suggest a mist system instead. They are more expensive in the beggining, but in the end you save. Also it allows you to take a vacation or be busy without worrying about your chameleon getting water. I dont even use my dripper anymore. My chameleon hears the mist and knows thats when he needs to drink.
-Andrea
warpdrive
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I think you're misunderstand the needs of the original poster....
an auto mister like mistking is for drinking, regardless that it will help with adding some humidity.
a fogger or humidifier is to help keep the humidity levels constantly at the desirerd percentage in the air.
this person lives in a dry area...they need to keep the humidity higher when the cage is dry.
not having the desired humidity levels will dehydrate your chameleon as they do get some moisture from breathing humid air.
Harry
vindicatedornot
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No, i understood. My mistking goes off 5 times a day and keeps the humidity between 50-70%
The fogger he wants to get is a p.o.s. and won't work how he wants it to. The humidifier might work though. i think a mister would be best because it replaces the need for a humidifier. If you're just using the fogger or humidifier you still need to mist. Chameleons cant drink from the fog.
I live in texas. Here it can snow and drought in the same week. Weather is pretty crazy. I honestly think the best solution for humidity problems is live plants. and i was just giving him a suggestion. Of course he doesn't HAVE to take my advice.
-Andrea
warpdrive
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a mister will never replace a humidifier or fogger, just like a fogger/humidifier will never replace a mister.
they are two different things for different reasons or needs.
your mistking would never be able to help my low humidity winter months...
without a room humidifier my humidity would never be above 40% unless it's just durring a rain shower and I have the windows open.
with live plants and a room humidifier, my cage shows 50%-65% humidity when it's dry as a bone....outside it's 20% right now.
and no, I don't want a totaly wet cage 24 hours a day with a mister.
I'll take using a humidifier or fogger anyday to help with low humidity.
...and it's what he needs when his humidity is like 15% (or lower) daily in his house. a mistking would spread bacteria and such being constantly wet 24 hours a day to keep the humidity levels high enough.
Harry
vindicatedornot
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it dries between every misting. the cage is totally wet for about 15 minutes before the lights dry everything up. It stays humid for the entire day though. But hey its whatever. It works perfectly fine for me. Use whatever makes you happy.
warpdrive
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that's just it...
you and I don't live in the same location.
we have different needs, just like the OPer as well.
when giving advice, it's best not to say what works for you, but what will work for them.
in other words, your humidity in your house is FAR HIGHER then his when your cage is dry....thus you don't need a humidifier/fogger.
but he is facing humidity around 20% or lower all year round (and with the AC on, we can say inside his house he has about 5% humidity)...do you realy think that even with live plants and a misting system he could get away without using a humidifier (when the cage is dry that is)?
Harry
vindicatedornot
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yes. i do. When i first set my cage up the humidity ran 15% when i added the plant it was 25% and now its 50-70% I'm speaking from personal experience. With the live plants and a mister, the humidity should stay up despite the surrounding humidity. My mister runs 5 times a day, for about a minute to a minute and a half each. The actual water dries up shortly after but the humidity stays until the next misting. Maybe you didn't have enough live plants.
but, again... this is my personal experience. feel free to do whatever you want and do what works for you. This was and always was just a suggestion.
warpdrive
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I find it ultra hard to belive that your household humidity is 15%, and in the morning, after no mistings the whole night, your humidity is 50% or better from plants alone.
even you said that the humidity only whent up 10% with one plant. (and will go up about 5% for each aditional potted plant)
please understand that I'm not trying to argue with you.
I also agree that adding as meny live plants as posable will help.
but maybe you might want to tell us the differance in humidity with your cage fully dry, and fully wet...because when my cage is dry, fully dry, it's at 45%-65% depending if I have my window open (and my humidifier working).
this is with just two potted plants in my 12"x24"x24" baby cage.
I hand mist 3 to 5 times a day, for about 3-5 mins each time (about 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 ounces of water)...when wet my humidity shoots upwards to 65%-85%
(this is with the outside air being around 20% humidity.)
the 20% increase in humidity never lasts between mistings with hand mistings. say a good hour the bump in humidity lasts for me.
add in AC to keep the room cool and you'll lose about 20% of your household or room humidity.
so am I saying not to use an auto mister? not at all.
but over night, with that mister not being used, and the AC turned on, it will be a fight to keep the humidity levels high enough for most chameleons needs (at least in a room with ultra low humidity levels).
I would realy like to know just what your room humidity levels are, and just what your cage humidity levels are when the cage is fully dry....say in the morning before the first misting.
with this info, maybe I can better understand how your mistking is doing as well as you say it is.
Harry
joshdhensley
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Sorry guys, don't mean to interupt your "discussion", but I just wanted to throw something out there for the original post. The Repti Fogger had some sort of issues with the fan going out. If you call the Zoo Med customer service, they will send you a new fan for the fogger free of charge. It takes about 5 minutes to install. Super easy and works great. Ok, you two can continue.
JK.
Josh
JK.Josh
warpdrive
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Sorry guys, don't mean to interupt your "discussion", but I just wanted to throw something out there for the original post. The Repti Fogger had some sort of issues with the fan going out. If you call the Zoo Med customer service, they will send you a new fan for the fogger free of charge. It takes about 5 minutes to install. Super easy and works great. Ok, you two can continue.
Josh
thanks for the added info Josh.
(and about the above...sorry if I seem out of line.
being on the internet realy doesn't display my kind nature.
then again, while I can't speak for Houston, Texas...it is a far cry to say that someone in Mesa, AZ is going to have 75% humidity outside like it is right now in Houston because of the slight showers they had, but before when it was sunny, it was 66% humidity there. (and an avg humidity level of around 50% this time of year...just looked it up)
unless we are talking about Flagstaff, AZ...and that place is on a mountin and gets snow. yes snow in Flagstaff, AZ....you can even ski there, that's how much snow they get.
)Harry
vindicatedornot
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my mom is the frost queen so its usually 75-74 degrees inside the house. The humidity in my house (not near the chameleon cage) about 20% up and down. When the cage is not wet its about 45% humidity. Lowest I've seen was 37% but its only at this point for about 30 minutes. I have mists scheduled for 7:45(gives him 30 minutes to warm up before getting sprayed), 9, 12, 2, 4, and 6. the first two are for 1 minute. the next three are for 1 minute 45 seconds. A longer mist since its a hotter part of the day and the last one (i forgot i had) is only for 30 seconds to give him one last drink and keep the humidity through the night. This seems to work wonderfully. It keeps the humidity perfect and it dries between each timed mist.
this system took a bit of tweaking to make it right through the day.
and I didn't mean to argue either. I just want you to understand the advice I'm giving comes only from my best intensions and I've personally seen it work exactly to fit my cham needs.
-Andrea
warpdrive
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try to understand that I'm sure you are right, or close to it when you were talking about the humidity levels in your house.
but also understand that you are dealing with outside humidity that is drasticly different then in Mesa, AZ.
right now the outside humidity by you is above 75%.
in Mesa, it's 16%.
that's a drastic differance that plays a major roll in your cage humidity levels.
again, just what is it in your house right now?
even with your mom running the AC, I'll bet it's higher then 20%.
in the guy from Mesa home, with the AC on, it will be 0%.
that's a huge differance in humidity levels to be dealing with.
so with plants, and a (not so fully) dry cage between mistings, you get a bump of about 20%-25% in humidity levels.
this is about what I expect.
in Mesa, with 0% humidity from the AC, and the same cage and plants, he'll have humidity levels around 20%-25% in a semi dry cage.
does that sound high enough to you?
for your needs, and your environment, it works.
but can you see how it might not work in his environment?
with your best intentions, you gave advice based not on his needs, but of your own.
it's ok, we've all been there.
with much respect and love,
Harry
