Nolvasan, harmful in any way?

[Syn]

I'm cleaning right now and I'm curious if I should be trying not to inhale this stuff or not.. or if I should move the reptiles out of the general area of the spray.
I know it's used as a mouthwash, etc.. but I can never be too safe! Anyways I'm just curious if anyone has a story to tell or any interesting info.

I'm currently using some to clean cages to keep my mind off things..

Also, if anyone knows of a website that might be having a sale on the stuff, please let me know. 1 gallon size or smaller, nothing larger.. Thanks!

 

[KShook]

Hey Syn,

Dilute it and you should be fine, Thats what we use at the Vet Office I work at around all the animals we use about 50cc which is about..maybe 1/3 cup of Nolvasan in a 1 liter bottle and the rest water...give or take...you should be okay with that!

I'm cleaning right now and I'm curious if I should be trying not to inhale this stuff or not.. or if I should move the reptiles out of the general area of the spray.
I know it's used as a mouthwash, etc..

I'm currently using some to clean cages to keep my mind off things..

 

[Syn]

Alright thanks! I got it in a little bottle from Pangea - whoops, I think I may have jiffed the ratio a bit, though.. Thanks for the info!

 

[chamelisa]

I use Novalsan for cleaning enclosures but the chameleon is removed first. Once the cage is rinsed after cleaning, the chameleon can go back in. It's a good cleaner to use for reptile enclosures.

In my rehab enclosures, after cleaning with Novalsan and drying the tank out completely, I'll spray a good amount of Hydrogen Peroxide on all surfaces. I learned from Dave Weldon that this is the best way to break down coccidia oosysts. I believe it needs to be sprayed on a dry surface to be effective. After about 10 or 15 minutes it has either evaporated or I just wipe out the enclosure with paper towels.

 

[Syn]

Oh yes, the geckos are removed from the enclosure being cleaned, I meant the enclosures around the tank. Sorry about that.

Thanks for the info about the hydrogen peroxide. Great idea! *stores in future knowledge bank*

 

[Syn]

Eeuwgh, I have to say this stuff leaves a weird taste in my mouth.. and I'm not intentionally trying to "eat" it either, it's coming through my nose.. Whooo.. Leaves an odd after-smell too, but this was only cleaning some cages I had left outside that were extra dirty. Must be the Nolvasan working hard!

 

[Dave Weldon]

Howdy Syn,

Undiluted Nolvasan is spec'd at 1 ounce per gallon of water for disinfecting veterinary work areas.

For Hydrogen peroxide to be effective against coccidia on enclosure surfaces etc. you'll need to get it in the 6% strength or stronger. Beauty supply warehouse places carry it in the stronger concentrations.

Typical pharmacy H2O2 is only 3% (called 10 volume)

Beauty supply places carry it in:
6% (20 volume)
9% (30 volume)
12% (40 volume)
15% (50 volume)

6%-12% seem to be available in a clear liquid form while the 15% concentration might only be available in a thicker, creamy-like form.

Anything above 3% needs a cautionary note. 12%, for example, will definitely chemically oxidize your skin to the point of pain and damage! The rapid oxidation feels like an acid burn and turns the contacted skin surface white. If you get it on your skin, rinse it off right away. Don't wait the many seconds for the pain to start.

I use a pump-up misting bottle to spray the intended surfaces. You can hear it sizzle as it oxidizes the organic material that it comes in contact with. I'm not sure but it may also have some effect on aluminum. I usually leave it to do its disinfecting work until the sizzle has stopped. I rinse the surfaces to be sure that there aren't any undiluted puddles. The nice thing about H2O2 is that it eventually breaks down into H2O and oxygen. Can't ask for anything better than that .

Our use of high concentrations of hydrogen peroxide for killing coccidia is based off of a post about coccidia that had a link to an article written about killing cryptosporidium on surfaces. Cryptosporidium is in the coccidia family. I would love to read more info about H2O2's parasite-killing powers if anyone finds them .

I've been hoping that we haven't been deluding ourselves about the effectiveness of strong H2O2 against coccidia . Hopefully it isn't just like the reason that elephants paint their toenails red so that they can hide in cherry trees. Ever seen an elephant in a cherry tree? Pretty effective huh? My once heavily coccidia-infected Veiled (he picked-up the STP on a "date") has not had a re-infection since treatment and cleaning with H2O2. Therefore, just like toenails and cherry trees, it must be working .

 

[Syn]

Haha Dave, I love the cherry tree story.

As for solutions, is there one that is too strong? My dad works at a water treatment facility, I am not sure what his strongest solution is but (I could be wrong)I think he has up to 25%? If not more.. I will have to talk to him about it.

As for 1oz per gallon, I will write that on my mini-bottle as well. I really need to get some more of this stuff, it makes things so much more simple!

on a side note, we were recently working with H2O2 in Chemistry class.. fortunately it wasn't very strong because someone spilled it all down their shirt. I think it changed the color a little but they were being really ridiculous and ended up being removed from class.

 

[Dave Weldon]

As for solutions, is there one that is too strong? ...think he has up to 25%?

As for 1oz per gallon, I will write that on my mini-bottle as well. I really need to get some more of this stuff, it makes things so much more simple!...

Howdy Syn,

As far as H2O2 being too strong; it's a matter of safety. Anything over 12% may be just too dangerous to be worth the risk. Even 12% is borderline for safety. You can dilute it to any strength you want but it's having that original strength within potential human contact that you have to be very careful about .

Nolvasan doesn't necessarily kill all of the parasites that we might have with chameleons but it is very good at killing other various microorganisms. It is a disinfectant. You can see where that fits: Clean, sanitize, disinfect, sterilize.

 

[Todnedo]

By reading the cautions on the nolvasan bottle they make it sound like you need to wear a haz-mat. suit.
I've used it quite a bit with no ill effects I even cleaned some plants with it.

 

[Syn]

Of course, safety first.

Thanks for the info Dave! I will be looking around for some H2O2 at your suggested strength.

Todnedo, really? I want to know what it says now hehe.

 

[Todnedo]

Nolvasan Solution final use dilutions may be applied by wiping, mopping, or spraying on the inanimate surface. It may also be used in fogging (wet misting) operations as an adjunct either preceding or following regular cleaning and disinfecting procedures. Fog (wet mist) until the area is moist using automatic foggers according to manufacturer's directions.

When applying by wiping, mopping, or spraying: Applicators or other handlers must wear long-sleeve shirt and long pants, socks plus shoes, and rubber gloves.

When applying by wet-mist fogging: Applicators and other handlers exposed to the fog during wet-mist fogging applications and until the fog has dissipated and the enclosed area has been thoroughly ventilated must wear: Long-sleeve shirt and long pants, rubber gloves, socks plus shoes, and a full face respirator with a canister approved for pesticides (MSHA/NIOSH approval number prefix TC-14-G).

Do not apply this product in a way that will contact workers or other persons, either directly or through drift. Only protected handlers may be in the area during application.

Entry Restrictions: Thoroughly ventilate buildings, vehicles, and closed spaces following application. Do not enter, allow other persons to enter, house livestock, or use equipment in the treated area until ventilation is complete and the liquid chlorhexidine diacetate has been absorbed, set or dried.

For entry into fogged areas before ventilation is complete and the fog has completely dissipated, absorbed, set, or dried, all persons must wear: Long-sleeve shirt and long pants, rubber gloves, socks plus shoes and a full face respirator with a canister approved for pesticides (MSHA/NIOSH approval number prefix TC-14-G).

User Safety: Follow manufacturer's instructions for cleaning/maintaining personal protective equipment. If there are no such instructions for washables, use detergent and hot water. Keep and wash personal protective equipmek thanksnt separately from other laundry.

Users should wash hands before eating, drinking, chewing gum, using tobacco, or using the toilet. Users should remove clothing immediately if pesticide gets on or inside it, then wash both skin and clothing thoroughly and put on clean clothes. Users should remove personal protective equipment immediately after handling this product. Wash the outside of gloves before removing. As soon as possible, wash skin and clothing thoroughly and change into clean clothes.

 

[Syn]

Lmfao. That's funny. If that's the case I should be dead now!

 

[clarkrw3]

This is really good info and so I am bumping this thread up. I also know that Nolvasan Solution is technically an Antimicrobial. Many people think that Bleach is "safer" or "less toxic" but its technically Sodium Hypochlorite which is used to whiten your clothes but also to dissolve and necrose tissue. For instance I am in the dental field and we use a mild concentration of Nolvasan to treat (kill bacteria) periodontal disease in the form of a mouth rinse. We use "bleach" to kill bacteria and eat away tissue when treating a root canal but this can only be done with suction close and a tooth that is completely isolated from the rest of the mouth. We wouldn't even consider having anyone rinse with bleach (sodium hypochlorite) because of the severe damage it would do to the tissue.

Just food for thought...And I need to do more research on H2O2..but it is much more bio compatible than bleach.