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KarmaChameleon1337
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Can't be done. Panthers can be mixed, like Ambanja and Ambilobe, but not Veiled and Panthers.
DanSB
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It depends...
https://www.chameleonforums.com/new-c-gracilis-x-calyptratus-hybrid-71434/
Tat person seems to have crossed a Veiled and a Graceful. They both belong to the same Genus though and I'm not sure it is conclusive that those were hybrids or retained sperm.
I wouldn't say absolutely no because I really don't think it has ever been given a real attempt. Either way the thread above has a lot of thoughts and perspective on the question, worth a read.
Chameleonmaster
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You can only breed animals from the same genus and be able to produce offspring correct me if I am wrong but I'm pretty sure.
DanSB
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Intergeneric / Inter-Genus hybrids (between Genus) are known to be possible and apparently there are even some interfamilial / Inter-Family hybrids known. Wiki source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(biology) (I don't generally use wiki as a source but look at their sources at the end if you really doubt this it can be verified multiple places on the web)
Either way it should also be pointed out that Chameleon Taxonomy is mostly morphological and we don't really know (or I don't anyway) how close genetically panthers and Veileds are and how possible a hybrid actually is.
drcrossfire
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One of the parameters used to define a species:
the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.
essentially, this means since panthers (Furcifer pardalis) are all of one species so they can interbreed and have fertile offspring-- but a veiled and a panther cannot
If they are the same genus it does not mean they can successfully interbreed.
the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.
essentially, this means since panthers (Furcifer pardalis) are all of one species so they can interbreed and have fertile offspring-- but a veiled and a panther cannot
If they are the same genus it does not mean they can successfully interbreed.
DanSB
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If this was true there would be no inter-species hybrids which there clearly are... Read the Wiki page I linked to it gives a pretty good overview.
I think Taxonomy is closer to Voodoo than any hard science ha haa.
camaleonte82
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they are able to mate but any eggs that may come about would be infertile. diff species and genus. would be like a human and monkey going at it ....
drcrossfire
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Sometimes it is possible, but usually this causes the offspring to be infertile.
There are certain other aspects that cause speciation, such as geographic isolation or sexual barriers (either physically or with mating rituals) which would cause different populations to be classified as different species.
This is where these hybrids become possible in a man made/controlled setting where these "species" are forced to interact.
So yeah... possible. But still goofy
There are plenty of people who have tried. Every six months or so someone comes on convinced they're going to have the first hybrids because they got their veiled and panther to mate (despite the obvious ethical issues with that), saw it happen (some have pics to prove it) and now the female laid eggs. But the eggs have never hatched or even developed embryos. So it's been tried, to no success. They are too genetically different.
