M or F? Need help please.

[Gibboltd]

Here's Ringo my Veiled who I've been told is a male when checked on two different occasions, so I've been sure he's male all this time. Then yesterday a seed of doubt was planted when someone here suggested he was actually a female.. I trust people's judgement on this website so if someone could confirm the sex with 100% certainty, it'd be a great help since I've not prepared for a female cham. Also, if you could roughly guess his age? I'm lead to believe 4 months but his sibling from the same clutch (male) is half his size. Thank you.

 

[CarlC]

Is there a spur on the back of its rear foot? Post a picture of the back rear foot and we can tell you for sure?

Carl

 

[Gibboltd]

Here's some more pictures, I was told he had spurs just very small ones and when I look at the back of his feet I can see what looks like very tiny spurs on each foot exactly where one should be. Rather difficult to get it to show on the camera.

 

[jannb]

Welcome to the forums. This is a great place to learn about chameleons. I don't see any spurs. They are noticeable as soon as they hatch. If you'll look at these photos, one shows the spurs. https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/veiled/

I'm also going to attach some links for you on general care, raising a female veiled, egg laying and the laying bin and a video on how to set up a laying bin. Female can and often do lay eggs without a mail even being around. I recommend keeping a laying bin in the enclosure at all time after they reach the age of five months.

General care: https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html

Female veiled care: http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/2007/12/keeping-female-veiled.html

Egg laying and the laying bin: https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/jannb/345-egg-laying-laying-bin.HTML

Vido on making a laying bin: https://www.chameleonforums.com/laying-bin-set-up-educational-video-77225/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/veiled/

More great info here: https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/chameleons/

 

[Gibboltd]

Welcome to the forums. This is a great place to learn about chameleons. I don't see any spurs. They are noticeable as soon as they hatch. If you'll look at these photos, one shows the spurs. https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/veiled/

I'm also going to attach some links for you on general care, raising a female veiled, egg laying and the laying bin and a video on how to set up a laying bin. Female can and often do lay eggs without a mail even being around. I recommend keeping a laying bin in the enclosure at all time after they reach the age of five months.

General care: https://www.chameleonforums.com/blo...-keepers-young-veiled-panther-chameleons.html

Female veiled care: http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/2007/12/keeping-female-veiled.html

Egg laying and the laying bin: https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/jannb/345-egg-laying-laying-bin.HTML

Vido on making a laying bin: https://www.chameleonforums.com/laying-bin-set-up-educational-video-77225/
https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/caresheets/veiled/

More great info here: https://www.chameleonforums.com/care/chameleons/

Thanks for all that information, I know what it involves to raise a female and the risks. This is something I haven't prepared for at all and wanted to avoid completely. I can't keep a female, they are too risky and I was 100% happy raising a male. I am so angry that two people could tell me something so wrong! I've just rang the pet shop back and they are very willing to let me swap for a male cham. Problem is that I love my cham to bits and don't think I can allow the pet shop to have her back This is awful I am truly upset and devastated. I don't know what to do, I can't be sure she will go to a good owner - I've seen enough stories of people with these pets who get bored and neglect them once the cool factor wears off. I have a lot of thinking to do... Thank you for the help, thank god I found out before she attempted to lay a clutch although that is still a while away.

 

[jannb]

Thanks for all that information, I know what it involves to raise a female and the risks. This is something I haven't prepared for at all and wanted to avoid completely. I can't keep a female, they are too risky and I was 100% happy raising a male. I am so angry that two people could tell me something so wrong! I've just rang the pet shop back and they are very willing to let me swap for a male cham. Problem is that I love my cham to bits and don't think I can allow the pet shop to have her back This is awful I am truly upset and devastated. I don't know what to do, I can't be sure she will go to a good owner - I've seen enough stories of people with these pets who get bored and neglect them once the cool factor wears off. I have a lot of thinking to do... Thank you for the help, thank god I found out before she attempted to lay a clutch although that is still a while away.

The little girls are precious and just so sweet. I think you should keep her. If you take her back there's no telling where she will go or what might happen to her. If you research and set everything up correct she should be fine. if you use the Raising a female blog to set up you might be able to prevent her from having eggs at all or least keep her clutches small and not so often. If there's any help that you need there's plenty of support here on the forums.

 

[Gibboltd]

Thank you I really appreciate it. The main thing is the risk when it comes to laying eggs, if she ever were egg bound or something went wrong and she died I wouldn't cope well with it. I'm going to do a lot of reading and look at all the information you have given me to help me think. I only want what's best for her.

 

[jannb]

Thank you I really appreciate it. The main thing is the risk when it comes to laying eggs, if she ever were egg bound or something went wrong and she died I wouldn't cope well with it. I'm going to do a lot of reading and look at all the information you have given me to help me think. I only want what's best for her.

Thank you for taking the time to research it. Little girls deserve a good home too. I've had seven females and only two had egg problems. It is devastating when I lose one regardless of what gets them.