Lucky's pooo samples.
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Lizardlover
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hes definetly dehydrated, mist him alot and if its not too stressful for him give him showers, has he been eating and drinking ok?
Ocelot357
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I was told to not give my montium a shower.The temp will get too high for him, they require cooler temps.
Lizardlover
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well ok then, im no expert on montanes. I would think it'd be ok to give them a cool shower but again i dont work with montanes.
Pure
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If this is a recent poo, you are still not hydrating him enough. Montanes need lots and lots of water. Like LL said you need to be putting him in the shower for 20-30 mins at a time. At least once daily until he gets hydrated.
My mister on my Melleri is more of a shower as it uses sprinkler heads. I run it for 30 mins 2 times a day. I know this is over kill but they like it and it ensures they are well hydrated.
My mister on my Melleri is more of a shower as it uses sprinkler heads. I run it for 30 mins 2 times a day. I know this is over kill but they like it and it ensures they are well hydrated.
SoCaliSon
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Yup... They orange means he is dehydrated. If you have a way to get him long heavy mistings in his cage, a shower is not really necessary IMO. The noise and surroundings can be stressful for them... It is ideal to get them hydrating while they are comfy in their cage. Also I know you said the vet found loads of parasites. Did he say what kind? I hope he pulls though for you. Was this poo from before or aster the docs?
I know you have done a lot already... but I would rally consider what Kinyonga was saying about the foot. I would consider a second opinion for the foot, since the first vet missed it completely. You also want to know what the Vet treated your cham with to get rid of those parasites.
Good Luck!
I know you have done a lot already... but I would rally consider what Kinyonga was saying about the foot. I would consider a second opinion for the foot, since the first vet missed it completely. You also want to know what the Vet treated your cham with to get rid of those parasites.
Good Luck!
Pure
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Who told you that? I read that other thread and didn't see any one tell you this. Some one may have and I may have missed it, it is a long thread. I know very little about montiums, but still being a Montane he should love a shower. Just don't use hot water. You want it warm to the touch at the shower head and just barely cool at the point of contact with the animal.
eisentrauti
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I think I know something about "Montanes" and I absolutly don't understand why you should shower him. The water shouldn't be too warm but that's everything.
There's as well a famous article from a professor who put his quads in special "rain chambers", which caused a plus in the weight and more healthy animals
There's as well a famous article from a professor who put his quads in special "rain chambers", which caused a plus in the weight and more healthy animals
PardalisGirl
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Good Lord!
Good Lord! I just read your other thread. Had to start skimming through a lot of it until I read the vet results. After seeing your poo sample I was going to say parasites (jelly goo look to it) and dehydration or kidney issues. I guess the vet confirmed that. What parasite(s) did the vet say he has? What treatment was he given for the issue? Where you given anything for future treatments? Any parasite issue requires multiple doses. A severe infestation requires multiple rounds of treatments over perhaps months. It looks like you are hydrating it now, but it's likely that the cham has kidney damage from the prior dehydration. The orange urates possibly suggest this (if he has been drinking and still has them). He may require support care for the rest of his life. Supplementation should be very very light until you figure out if he has a permanent kidney issue. Damaged kidneys can not handle suppliments as well.
Unless you have more information to flesh out about this vet visit I am going to say that your vet does not sound experienced with reptile issues. Things don't sound right. I am also going to say that this guy is going to need some expensive care down the line to get him to health and overcome prior damage. I am going to offer to pay for the shipping to have you send him to me. I have my own microscope to do fecals. I have all the proper anti-parasite drugs for any parasite he could have. I have an excellent reptile vet. I am willing to pay the vet costs for futher tests. Heck I will pay for his initial visit too. I have a lot of experience with reptiles over 15 years. I already have Montane species. Please consider my offer to take him. Or to send him to someone else making a similar offer. I think he requires some expensive care and daily care from someone with a lot of experience. If not me, than someone else. I really think you did a great thing buying him and putting yourself out there on the forums to try to help him. And for going to the vet. It's taken a lot of courage to listen to all the stuff on the other thread (right or wrong) and continue pursuing his care. I would say that you should think about taking it a step further and let another willing party carry the burden from here. I would be happy to do it.....
Good Lord! I just read your other thread. Had to start skimming through a lot of it until I read the vet results. After seeing your poo sample I was going to say parasites (jelly goo look to it) and dehydration or kidney issues. I guess the vet confirmed that. What parasite(s) did the vet say he has? What treatment was he given for the issue? Where you given anything for future treatments? Any parasite issue requires multiple doses. A severe infestation requires multiple rounds of treatments over perhaps months. It looks like you are hydrating it now, but it's likely that the cham has kidney damage from the prior dehydration. The orange urates possibly suggest this (if he has been drinking and still has them). He may require support care for the rest of his life. Supplementation should be very very light until you figure out if he has a permanent kidney issue. Damaged kidneys can not handle suppliments as well.
Unless you have more information to flesh out about this vet visit I am going to say that your vet does not sound experienced with reptile issues. Things don't sound right. I am also going to say that this guy is going to need some expensive care down the line to get him to health and overcome prior damage. I am going to offer to pay for the shipping to have you send him to me. I have my own microscope to do fecals. I have all the proper anti-parasite drugs for any parasite he could have. I have an excellent reptile vet. I am willing to pay the vet costs for futher tests. Heck I will pay for his initial visit too. I have a lot of experience with reptiles over 15 years. I already have Montane species. Please consider my offer to take him. Or to send him to someone else making a similar offer. I think he requires some expensive care and daily care from someone with a lot of experience. If not me, than someone else. I really think you did a great thing buying him and putting yourself out there on the forums to try to help him. And for going to the vet. It's taken a lot of courage to listen to all the stuff on the other thread (right or wrong) and continue pursuing his care. I would say that you should think about taking it a step further and let another willing party carry the burden from here. I would be happy to do it.....
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Pure
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Benny, The shower is recommended as it is just easier. If you want to stand there and mist him for 20 mins then no shower is needed.
Edit: also the length of time is because even if the animal stops actively drinking it is still getting some hydration from the extreme humidity. But IME with my Melleri they damn near drink the whole time.
Edit: also the length of time is because even if the animal stops actively drinking it is still getting some hydration from the extreme humidity. But IME with my Melleri they damn near drink the whole time.
SoCaliSon
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A cold shower could work for him....
Just out of my experience I have only had a couple Chams that will not freak out once in the shower. If you do give a shower...
Scrub your shower down first of any soap scum and nasties. Remove any soaps or shampoos that he could get to.
Don't use warm water...
Put him on a plant... and bouce the main water stream off the wall above him so it gets plenty of mist.
Make sure water is not pooling up below.
I always tell people to do the cage rather than the shower... Showering chams like this is a real waste of water... They sit in a running shower for 30 mins, only utilizing the deflected water... It is a waste. I either give extended mistings in the cage... Or I will set a hand sprayer on the edge of the bathtub instead of using the shower head.
Just out of my experience I have only had a couple Chams that will not freak out once in the shower. If you do give a shower...
Scrub your shower down first of any soap scum and nasties. Remove any soaps or shampoos that he could get to.
Don't use warm water...
Put him on a plant... and bouce the main water stream off the wall above him so it gets plenty of mist.
Make sure water is not pooling up below.
I always tell people to do the cage rather than the shower... Showering chams like this is a real waste of water... They sit in a running shower for 30 mins, only utilizing the deflected water... It is a waste. I either give extended mistings in the cage... Or I will set a hand sprayer on the edge of the bathtub instead of using the shower head.
Ocelot357
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This was today...so its after the vet.The vet told me what he vaccinated the cham with but i totally forgot, he did mention he had several situations as mine, so im sure he knew what he was doing.What confuses me is that why the vet didn't do anything about the dehydration???, he just told me to keep him hydrated.Dont they have some kind of re-hydration vaccine or something???...anyways......I will shower him, but with cool water.I also applied neosporin to the cut on his tail.About the foot, is there anything i can do about the foot before taking to the vet again?
PardalisGirl
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Bump...
Hope you see my reply on page one of the thread. Forgot to say that foot is a problem. The vet not commenting on it really makes me wonder. If the swelling is not resolved it can go septic. The source of the swelling needs to be diagnosed so it can be treated properly.
Hope you see my reply on page one of the thread. Forgot to say that foot is a problem. The vet not commenting on it really makes me wonder. If the swelling is not resolved it can go septic. The source of the swelling needs to be diagnosed so it can be treated properly.
Ocelot357
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Yeah... i seen your post.I really appreciate your offer, that's very nice of you but im really attached to him now.Im gonna get him help!!!......no matter what it takes.Im gonna take him to the vet again today and make sure i explain every single detail i read today and let the vet know.
PardalisGirl
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Good deal....
That's great.....Maybe other forum members in your area will know how experienced the vet is. If he/she is not very experienced with reptiles than another visit is probably a waste of money. Make sure you are getting value for your money. My offer stands if you ever change your mind.
That's great.....Maybe other forum members in your area will know how experienced the vet is. If he/she is not very experienced with reptiles than another visit is probably a waste of money. Make sure you are getting value for your money. My offer stands if you ever change your mind.
Pure
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No there isn't a hydration vaccine. The normal treatment (from what I gather) is saline injections. But is only done in extreme cases. Your guy isn't that bad off..yet, to warrant the stress the injections would cause. Watering him enough should do the trick.
Catharine,
You mentioned the orange urate as a sign of kidney damage. I'm no vet and have not experienced kidney failure in reptiles. But from my own experience with it. The orange/yellow coloration is the result of poison concentration in the urine/urate. Loss of kidney function means they are not filtering out as much of the body's poisons as they should. So less poisons in the urate means less coloration.
I'm at about 8% function left between both my kidneys. I'm lucky that I urinate as much as a healthy person should. My urine is never more than slightly yellow and often clear.
Again I realize there are major differences between reptiles and mammals. But the kidney's function should be relatively the same.
Please someone help clear this up. Inquiring minds wanna know.
Catharine,
You mentioned the orange urate as a sign of kidney damage. I'm no vet and have not experienced kidney failure in reptiles. But from my own experience with it. The orange/yellow coloration is the result of poison concentration in the urine/urate. Loss of kidney function means they are not filtering out as much of the body's poisons as they should. So less poisons in the urate means less coloration.
I'm at about 8% function left between both my kidneys. I'm lucky that I urinate as much as a healthy person should. My urine is never more than slightly yellow and often clear.
Again I realize there are major differences between reptiles and mammals. But the kidney's function should be relatively the same.
Please someone help clear this up. Inquiring minds wanna know.
