Is my panther Looking Receptive?
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Sang
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*BUMP* still looking for some advice, as i am still kinda new to this at least as far as female panthers go. She is a bit more peachy today, even the lips have a peach tinge.
so can anyone describe their experiences to me, and time lines and what i can expect as to what i need to /when to prepare a laying bin. i was hoping to keep it in the enclosure but the more i think about it that will not be possible.
So, I was going to do the 50 gallon bucket. i know a mixture of play sand/soil and i wanted to add coconut husks to it. BUT what kind of water ratio should i have to soil, i know i should be able to grip it and get almost no water outta it but still have it be solid enough to hold its shape.
once again, sorry about the bump...
so can anyone describe their experiences to me, and time lines and what i can expect as to what i need to /when to prepare a laying bin. i was hoping to keep it in the enclosure but the more i think about it that will not be possible.
So, I was going to do the 50 gallon bucket. i know a mixture of play sand/soil and i wanted to add coconut husks to it. BUT what kind of water ratio should i have to soil, i know i should be able to grip it and get almost no water outta it but still have it be solid enough to hold its shape.
once again, sorry about the bump...
PantherVeileD
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50 gallon buckets??? for laying bin?? My lord thats one big female panther! A 5 gallon bucket is fine 
For me I would wait a little longer to breed her. Thats how my cham look like when she was maturing. Her receptive colors were a lot brighter.
For me I would wait a little longer to breed her. Thats how my cham look like when she was maturing. Her receptive colors were a lot brighter.
Sang
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I wanted something she couldn't get out of and that i could put 1-2 small bushy ficuses in . and still put a dome light+ UVB light over the top that are still on her on / off schedule.
it'd be the first 10"s of a 50 gallon trash bin. and i could just put her in there when she is ready to lay and not worry about it. was for water? what do i need to worry about?
so she is just maturing? thats good to know? but id like to hold off on her layin eggs for as long as possible, i have no intention of breeding her till at least 10-11 months.
it'd be the first 10"s of a 50 gallon trash bin. and i could just put her in there when she is ready to lay and not worry about it. was for water? what do i need to worry about?
so she is just maturing? thats good to know? but id like to hold off on her layin eggs for as long as possible, i have no intention of breeding her till at least 10-11 months.
sandrachameleon
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Those are more or less receptive colours, yes. each individual is a little different of course. Certainly those are not non-receptive or gravid colours. Here are photos of one of my panther females, in gravid, receptive and non-receptive colours: https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/sandrachameleon/112-photos-female-panther-1.html
Being receptive in colour does not necessarily mean she will lay eggs soon. Though i've never been able to stop egg production, I've had young panther females not lay their first clutch of eggs until well after a year old (i believe it depends how warm they are, how well fed they are and whether or not they see other chameleons).
You could put a small shallow dish of sand in her normal cage, and when/if you see her messing with that you know its time to move her to your other laying enclosure. I personally just put a suitable container for laying right in the females cage, rather than stress them with a move and change, but my cages are plenty big enough to accomodate this. They like a good 18" deep to dig.
The water to sand ratio is whatever it takes to make the sand damp / wet enought to dig a tunnel and not collapse.
Being receptive in colour does not necessarily mean she will lay eggs soon. Though i've never been able to stop egg production, I've had young panther females not lay their first clutch of eggs until well after a year old (i believe it depends how warm they are, how well fed they are and whether or not they see other chameleons).
You could put a small shallow dish of sand in her normal cage, and when/if you see her messing with that you know its time to move her to your other laying enclosure. I personally just put a suitable container for laying right in the females cage, rather than stress them with a move and change, but my cages are plenty big enough to accomodate this. They like a good 18" deep to dig.
The water to sand ratio is whatever it takes to make the sand damp / wet enought to dig a tunnel and not collapse.
PantherVeileD
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how big is your cage.. A 5 gallon bucket is fine.. 50 gallon is a lot of dirt and sand. If you want me to take pics of my setups I can.. I wanted to take pics of my gravid color female right now but I can't find my camera which I used a lot.. And my other camera is out of battery and I can't find the charger for it.
Sang
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i don't have her in a very large enclosure, its 30"x 30"x 18". probably just enough room to get a 10" plant pot in there, which i hope is big enough for now, the reason i don't want to keep a laying bin inside the cage is cause the mister would be pumping water into/near it and that may change ease of digging.
yes i am probably thinking way ahead BUT i want to make sure i do this right.
*thank you sandra, those photos helped a bit. i will do my best to keep an eye on her*
thanks PV as well.
yes i am probably thinking way ahead BUT i want to make sure i do this right.
*thank you sandra, those photos helped a bit. i will do my best to keep an eye on her*
thanks PV as well.
Chameleon Company
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Did I miss something ?
I could swear the OP was asking if these were receptive colors, and then was asking about getting a laying container ready Isn't there supposed to be a sex act in between ?
Sang, I am going to take you at your original question "Are these receptive colors". As Sandra said .. "maybe" .... but to be honest, they are not strong receptive colors. Even if she MIGHT be receptive ... even if she was showing the most perfect receptive colors .. all you have to do is slowly introduce a male, and judge her reactions ... eh ? If she becomes non-receptive in a hurry, then I guess you have have an answer
Folks, all "receptive" colors mean is that you can make the effort to see if she truly is receptive. "Receptive" colors can also be just a state of relaxation, or one of no visible territorial dispute, or a bit of heat stress, etc. FYI Sang, receptive colors usually show even less pattern, if not a flat orange'ish look. But when in doubt, just let her see a male, then slowly move the male closer, then closer, and monitor it until you see favorable interactions, where they are in contact with one another. Never force the issue if the female decides to be "non-receptive". Good luck.
I could swear the OP was asking if these were receptive colors, and then was asking about getting a laying container ready
Isn't there supposed to be a sex act in between ? Sang, I am going to take you at your original question "Are these receptive colors". As Sandra said .. "maybe" .... but to be honest, they are not strong receptive colors. Even if she MIGHT be receptive ... even if she was showing the most perfect receptive colors .. all you have to do is slowly introduce a male, and judge her reactions ... eh ? If she becomes non-receptive in a hurry, then I guess you have have an answer
Folks, all "receptive" colors mean is that you can make the effort to see if she truly is receptive. "Receptive" colors can also be just a state of relaxation, or one of no visible territorial dispute, or a bit of heat stress, etc. FYI Sang, receptive colors usually show even less pattern, if not a flat orange'ish look. But when in doubt, just let her see a male, then slowly move the male closer, then closer, and monitor it until you see favorable interactions, where they are in contact with one another. Never force the issue if the female decides to be "non-receptive". Good luck.
PantherVeileD
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Of coarse the time might be near and planning ahead is a good thing. I have a misting system for all 8 cages and she lies in the middle. I have mine programmed for 2 times a day. 1 in early morning and 1 late evening 2 1/5 hrs before lights out. I hand mist during noon time and before i go work. When she lay I will just turn off the misting system and hand mist the other cages.
The least amount of floor space with the 5 gallon buckets in there is better I think.
My cage size is similar to yours.. I don't have a big live plant pots in there because its mainly going to be for gravid females to housed in. If I don't have any gravid females I just remove the 5 gallon laying bin and put in more live plants..
The least amount of floor space with the 5 gallon buckets in there is better I think.
My cage size is similar to yours.. I don't have a big live plant pots in there because its mainly going to be for gravid females to housed in. If I don't have any gravid females I just remove the 5 gallon laying bin and put in more live plants..
PantherVeileD
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Sang, I am going to take you at your original question "Are these receptive colors". As Sandra said .. "maybe" .... but to be honest, they are not strong receptive colors. Even if she MIGHT be receptive ... even if she was showing the most perfect receptive colors .. all you have to do is slowly introduce a male, and judge her reactions ... eh ? If she becomes non-receptive in a hurry, then I guess you have have an answer
yup not strong receptive colors so thats why I assumed matured color.. she is just maturing and after those colors will be receptive colors.
Good luck Sang, your only a few months behind of what I'm going through!
Sang
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hmm, SO as the days go on, Yes she does look more like a mature female becoming more peachy =( i wanted that creamy orange to stay!.
BUT she is lookin good and i am lookin forward to her getting a bit older before she needs to lay eggs.
ill take some more photos of her in a few weeks to see how she is turning out.
Thanks for all the help guys.
BUT she is lookin good and i am lookin forward to her getting a bit older before she needs to lay eggs.
ill take some more photos of her in a few weeks to see how she is turning out.
Thanks for all the help guys.
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