Hi all! I really need help!

tk9805

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Our female veiled needs help!

I'm new here and fairly new to chameleon care. I've had a bearded dragon that I had very good success with, but my son really wanted a herp of his own and chose a veiled chameleon.

We've had her for a couple of years and she's done well, but over the past couple of days, we've noticed she has become less active and she isn't interested in any crickets, which normally she would gobble up immediately. She is vertically clinging closely to her branch while sleeping and sometimes walks around with only one eye open. Her skin remains a much darker shade than her typical lime green color. She has been spending much more time on the bottom of the enclosure as well. Below are all the details I can remember. THANK YOU FOR ANY ADVICE YOU CAN GIVE!

Chameleon Info:

Your Chameleon - Female, veiled chameleon, purchased from Petco just over two years ago. We believe her to be about 2.5 years old.
Handling - She is usually handled every other day for about 5 minutes.
Feeding - We usually feed her in the afternoons. She has been getting crickets. The crickets are fed Fluker's Cricket Quencher Calcium Fortified while being kept and are coated with vitamin supplement powder every other feeding. Usually around 5 to six large crickets. We occasionally gove her kale and grapes or apples as well.
Supplements - Zoo Med Reptivite coating on crickets
Watering - We have a MistKing Starter Misting System which mists the enclosure once, midday each day for 30 seconds
Fecal Description - Droppings are greenish brown. Has this chameleon ever been tested for parasites? No.

Cage Info:

Cage Type - 16" L X 16" W X 30" H ZooMed repti-breeze
Lighting - ZooMed Tropical Lighting Kit w/ UVB
Temperature - 73 to 78 degrees, 85 degrees at top
Lowest overnight temp? 73
How do you measure these temps? digital thermometer
Humidity - What are your humidity levels? around 45 percent
How are you creating and maintaining these levels? just typical levels in our living room
What do you use to measure humidity? Petco Reptile Habitat Humidity Gauge
Plants - all vines and plants are fake
Placement - the cage is on top of a small bookshelf at the far end of our living room. It's about four feet off the floor and within a couple of feet of the main window, where we occasionally leave the blinds open to give her sunlight.
Location - Sanford, Florida


Current Problem - Slower movement than normal, dark skin, no interest in usual crickets (little appetite), ribs have become more protruding on sides, sometimes only opens one eye

This is Liz (my son named her) on a usual day:
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...and this is her when she was agitated by my son's disturbance of her dinner one evening:
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I would suspect she has a clutch of infertile eggs to lay. She looks pretty bulky to me, and gravid veileds tend to look much darker with more noticeable spotting.

A couple other things that jumped out at me you should probably correct:

Her supplementation is off. The recommended schedule is:

Daily: a light dusting of plain calcium (NO added vitamin D3)
Every 2 weeks: one dusting of calcium with added vit D3
Every 2 weeks: one dusting with a herp multivitamin

Also, the gutload you are using isn't the best. There are some excellent nutritionally updated gutloads available from this forum sponsors. How old is her UV light? If its been used for more than 6 months replace it. You will also need to read up on how to create an egg laying bin for her cage. Gravid females often start roaming the bottom of the cage looking for a place to dig their nest burrow. There's information about all this under the Resources tab.
 
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Thank you Carlton! I hadn't thought of that. And thank you so much for the supplement advice! I'll adjust it immediately. My son really loves her and I want to make sure she lives a good, long life! :D
 
Thank you Carlton! I hadn't thought of that. And thank you so much for the supplement advice! I'll adjust it immediately. My son really loves her and I want to make sure she lives a good, long life!
 
Well, I went home last night and got a large flower pot and filled it with fresh, bagged top soil. I added the water and mixed it up and placed it inside her enclosure.
-Any ideas on how long to leave it in there? Just wondering what a suitable amount of time to give her to do anything if this is indeed the problem?
-Also, is it best to wrap her enclosure with a cover or is it all right to just leave it open as it always is?
 
Leave her laying bin in her cage until she lays her eggs. And then after that keep it handy. I have panther females and they have a laying bin in all there cages full time.
I don't cover my cages when they are getting ready to lay and all mine always lay with no problem. But I believe in some cases a sheet or towel over there cage might be better. I think it depends on the individual. The main reason I don't cover is because I don't want to change there view. It's what they are used to seeing and I'm paranoid if I change it maybe it will stress them out.
These are my personal experiences.
If you see her digging just leave her totally alone. I won't even show myself if they are digging.
I don't know how big your flower pot is but the bigger the better.
Good luck:)
 
Thanks Craig. The pot covers the whole bottom of the cage, so I think it should accommodate her. :) I'm thinking that i may cover the cage, just because she's typically shy.
 
Well, I went home last night and got a large flower pot and filled it with fresh, bagged top soil. I added the water and mixed it up and placed it inside her enclosure.
-Any ideas on how long to leave it in there? Just wondering what a suitable amount of time to give her to do anything if this is indeed the problem?
-Also, is it best to wrap her enclosure with a cover or is it all right to just leave it open as it always is?

She will need complete privacy once she starts to dig. If she see you looking she could abandon the hole and become egg bound. It is recommended to keep a laying bin in their enclosure at all times after they reach 4 to 5 months old. I have a few blogs for you below about keeping female veileds from laying at all or at lease less often and a smaller clutch and two more blogs on egg laying and the laying bin.
http://raisingkittytheveiledchameleon.blogspot.com/2007/12/keeping-female-veiled.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/jannb/345-egg-laying-laying-bin.html
https://www.chameleonforums.com/laying-bin-set-up-educational-video-77225/
 
Hi all. I am saddened to say that liz passed away last night.:( We tried everything we could. I gave her water and some Pedialyte and tried getting her to take some baby food I purchased, but she was simply too weak.

Thanks to all those who tried to help. My son really appreciated it.
 
Hi all. I am saddened to say that liz passed away last night.:( We tried everything we could. I gave her water and some Pedialyte and tried getting her to take some baby food I purchased, but she was simply too weak.

Thanks to all those who tried to help. My son really appreciated it.

I'm so sorry to hear this! She looked pretty healthy and well cared for to me! Maybe she was actually egg bound or suffered some other reproductive system trauma that wasn't obvious until too late. So sorry you lost her. She was beautiful.
 
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