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Fireblade

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So my name is Nate and this is my story.:)

I always wanted to say that. So as a kid I always wanted a true cham but they weren't available in my local area. So I had a bunch of different reptiles for years then just lost interest. That was 20+ years ago. Then about a year ago I saw a veiled cham at the store and wanted it bad. So I actually found one of my old books and started doing some research. I never actually made the leap until last tuesday. I went to the store to get some fish food and noticed a Jackson cham in a approx. three gallon terrarium really trying to get out. I thought my girlfriend was going to cry, it was so sad.

So after a few minutes I told her to go ahead and get it while I run to the hardware store for some screen and plants. We got it home and flipped a 50 gallon fish tank on its end and put the plant in it for a home for the night. I work at a lumber mill and on one of my breaks I nailed a 24x36x48 inch frame together and wrapped it with screen. Then got an other plant and some bendable vine and assembled a temporary cage. We set up a UVA and UVB heat lamp and tested the temps.

We haven't named it yet so I will just call it lil bugger for now. Wow it is freindly. It goes right for the hand and explores all over. It is bright green most of the time verses the almost black that it was at the store. I did startle it once and it turned black once so I take it that its mood is displayed by color.

Now for the questions. I figure that no one would know more about chameleons than those that actually have them.;)

I am planning on constructing a completly new cage about the same dimentions with more plants, vines, water pans, mister and so on but I am concerned that maybe the cage is a bit too big. The lil bugger is really active and spends about half the time wandering around the cage, climbing on the walls and celing. Is this normal? I thought this thing would stay in the plants, is there too much empty space.

Now for feeding. For now I am going with gut loaded crickets but this week end I am going to get a variety for him. But with the size of this cage I have been mostly hand feeding. It has been between four and five a day then he just looses intrest. Boy, what a little marksman!! Anyway is that about the right amount of crickets? I also doubt that every one hand feeds, do you just release them in the cage or is there some sort of system I haven't come across yet? I have found the lil bugger basking a couple of times and was able to place the crickets on an opposing leaf and they sure didn't last long.:D

I have been misting warm water several times a day and two approx. twenty minute drip intervals, but have'nt seen him drink yet. We are currantly setting up a rodent water drip and will see if that works but any suggestions would be greatly appritiated.

Next, last night before bed I checked on him and he was clinging to the ceiling of the cage. I didn't feel confortable with him there so I moved him to the vine where he settled, I checked about an hour later and he was asleep in the same spot I placed him. But that got me to thinking, can they sleep upside down, and if they can't, can they navigate around in the dark? I read while snooping around that they don't mind pitch black but I was woried that it couldn't see and would have fallen.

So overall I think it is going well. The temps are correct, he is eating and is brilliant green and has a healthy appearance. This looks like a great forum and I will certainly be on here a bit. Anyway, thanks for reading this and any tips would be appreciated.

P.S. Just checked on him and he is basking in the light fat and I hope happy.

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I'll let the more experienced members jump in with ideas, but just wanted to say he's beautiful! Good catch!
 
one thing i can say is more foliage, chams love to be avle to hide in some nice dense brush. also add lots more sticks and walkways but other then that you seem like your doing alright. i belive you also said your gonna build another cage with water pans ? what do you mean by this is it for drainage ?
 
Hello welcome to the forum. For your Cham to benefit from the heat light or thr UVB light he has to be able to get neat them. You are doing a wonderful job, but like most things we do the first time, it can be better.you do need a lot more plants & some taller ones. A nice ficus or umberlla tree wouldbe great. Also since the wood will get wet be sure it is sealed really well with polyurethane.

I will get you a care sheet and a few more tips, I am on my phone, it will be a hour or so until I get back to my computer.

Welcome again, I am happy you joined us.
 
I'll let the more experienced members jump in with ideas, but just wanted to say he's beautiful! Good catch!
:) Thanks, I think he is cute. After looking around on the forum I was going to build a cage first then order one of the colorful breeds. There are some absolutly jaw dropping beautiful chameleons on here and my little guy seems kind of plain after looking through the photos. But seeing him covered with dirt, colored black and trying to escape out of that tiny glass tank just broke my heart so I had to get him. Now seeing him bright green and relaxed I think he is a keeper.;)

one thing i can say is more foliage, chams love to be avle to hide in some nice dense brush. also add lots more sticks and walkways but other then that you seem like your doing alright. i belive you also said your gonna build another cage with water pans ? what do you mean by this is it for drainage ?
Thanks for the input. Oh yes, one thing on the list for today is grabbing some more plants. I have a list of safe plants and am going to try to get some of the edible ones so he can chow down on some leaves when he feels like it. Yep, I am going build a compartment beneith the floor for a couple of pans to catch the falling water. Then the whole cage is going to be supported about 30 inches off the floor so the plants will be well above eye level to give the lil bugger the impression he is up in the trees. At about 7pm after his feeding and basking he starts to wander. So we have been taking him out of the cage and puting him in this 6+ foot artificial tree in the living room and he always climbs to the top and relaxes in the branches keeping an eye on everything. So I think that lifting the whole cage up will help with his wandering a little.

Hello welcome to the forum. For your Cham to benefit from the heat light or thr UVB light he has to be able to get neat them. You are doing a wonderful job, but like most things we do the first time, it can be better.you do need a lot more plants & some taller ones. A nice ficus or umberlla tree wouldbe great. Also since the wood will get wet be sure it is sealed really well with polyurethane.

I will get you a care sheet and a few more tips, I am on my phone, it will be a hour or so until I get back to my computer.

Welcome again, I am happy you joined us.
:DThanks for checking him out. Here is what we did with the light. We got that tall plant with the large leaves in the photo. Then we attached two thermometers (I didn't trust one fo them but they had identcal readings) to the leaves and adjusted the height until they read 85 degrees. I did have it set up for 90 degrees but after reading some more on Jacksons I found more people stated mid 80's for basking. Does that sound about right? After he eats he does go up and sit on those leaves for a while.
You just hit on one of my biggest concerns while building the cage. I relize that being wood and it getting wet all the time that it won't last, and I plan on just frequently rebuilding it. I have unlimited access to wood and just planned on each cage being better than the last. But I did think of sealing with polyurethane but didn't because I was woried about it being safe, this doesn't affect the little guy? Also I have a bunch of ceder and was going to build a nice ceder cage but as above wasn't sure if this would be safe either.
Nice, I will be picking up an umbrella tree today. I saw them in the store and wanted to grab one but my list has all the latin names and the umbrella tree didn't have a label so I passed on it. I am also going to grab a "potho" as I read that they can be eaten. Any other suggestion on plants that chams love to eat?


Well thanks for the ideas and please keep them coming. Like I stated before I origonally planned on building the habitat first but seeing the little guy in that tank like that turned it into more of a rescue than anything else, and being in a rush makes me concerned about missing some details and I want the little guy as happy as possible.
 
Big relief, I just started the drip cycle and he crawled over and drank for a good five minutes. I also just got a few more plants.
 
Well I got a couple of pothos and an other umbrella tree. Also raised the cage and fitted some drip pans. Will try to get a better pic tomorrow.

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Sorry this took so long. I totally forgot. Here is a care sheet. Your cage it looking good.

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:D Thankyou! That was some great info. The only thing we have to figure out now is the D3 supliment thing. Right now we are using some D3 gut load for the crickets. But I haven't come across anyone on here using that, I usually read about dusting the crickets. So I think we are going to start gut loading the crickets with carrots and apples then dusting a few crickets here and there. Does that sound like a good plan? How can you tell if a cham is getting enough or too much D3?

I am so happy that he is drinking. For a while the drip system stressed him out really bad. That had me really worried.

Also is between 4 and 5 crickets a day normal? I tryed a super worm today and he tried to eat it but it was quite a fight and he gave up, I am going to have to look into something a bit smaller.
 
Ok here I am in bed on the phone. Modern age, hubby & I in bed texting.
You have a nice pothos chams like to eat those. Did I tell you to wash all plants and either use organic soil, with no additives or after you wash the plant cover the soil with river rocks large enough your Cham could never get one I his mouth.
Next any idea of his age, if not his size will do. Take a picture on your finger so I have something to compare to. If he is am adult, that amount is fine, if not an adult, he will need more to eat. Jacksons love silkworms and house flys. Check our sponsor in the upper right hand corner and you will have lots of food choices.

Supplements, with a Jackson, less is better. You need 3 different supplements. Plain calcium, calcium + d3 and a multi vitamin. I use herptivite indoor multi vit. Use plain calcium 2 x weekly (very lightly), calcium d3 1 x a month and vitamin 1 xmonthly. Remember lightly.

I would not use cedar as chameleons are very sensitive to smells. I am waiting to see the cage you build. And he will love a big cage, not a problem. If you can do it I would have a dripped going all day. That is what I do.

Goodnight we will talk again tomorrow.:)
 
Ok here I am in bed on the phone. Modern age, hubby & I in bed texting.
You have a nice pothos chams like to eat those. Did I tell you to wash all plants and either use organic soil, with no additives or after you wash the plant cover the soil with river rocks large enough your Cham could never get one I his mouth.
Next any idea of his age, if not his size will do. Take a picture on your finger so I have something to compare to. If he is am adult, that amount is fine, if not an adult, he will need more to eat. Jacksons love silkworms and house flys. Check our sponsor in the upper right hand corner and you will have lots of food choices.

Supplements, with a Jackson, less is better. You need 3 different supplements. Plain calcium, calcium + d3 and a multi vitamin. I use herptivite indoor multi vit. Use plain calcium 2 x weekly (very lightly), calcium d3 1 x a month and vitamin 1 xmonthly. Remember lightly.

I would not use cedar as chameleons are very sensitive to smells. I am waiting to see the cage you build. And he will love a big cage, not a problem. If you can do it I would have a dripped going all day. That is what I do.

Goodnight we will talk again tomorrow.:)
Lol, texting in bed, I haven't gotten that bad yet.

I got the plants down right, thanks to snooping around this forum, tons of info on here.

Thanks a ton for the suppliment info, I printed that out and it is going on the food container. At this time that was my biggest worry.

As for the ceder I agree. It is some really smelly stuff, and when it gets wet it is almost eye watering. I will certainly be giving that a pass. Right now this cage seems to be working so I will be using it for a while to get used to the cleaning procedures and what not. I came across some people suggesting that I use "PVC" coated screen, and not fiberglass coated. I looked all over for PVC screen but came up empty handed. I found some "pet safe" screen but it was fiberglass. I went with aluminum because some of the cham cages I found for sale had it. What about galvanized? I found some galvanized screen with large "spares" which would have looked great. But I got to thinking that a cricket could slip right through it. But now that I relize that crickets shouldn't be roaming free in there anyway I am leaning torwards it again. It would give maximum air flow and great for visual. But once again I haven't seen any one use it and am hesitant, there might be a reason no one uses it. Also the cham addiction is growing and some of these "free range" setups are looking a bit apealing.

:( I have no idea how old it is. I thought is was a couple of years old but after seing some photos I think it might be under a year old, I will post a photo with it on my hand and something as a reference. What we have been doing is feeding it first thing in the morning, once in the after noon, then once more about an hour before bed so he has some basking time before he sleeps. We just feed it until it looses interest, that usually ends up being two in the a.m. and one in the after noon, then one late p.m. but one day he ate two. So that comes out to four, one day five.

Since I first started posting his wandering has decreased dramatically. Now he sticks around the basking spot and snoops around the plants now and then. I have to agree with the missus, this has got to be one of the cutest animals on the planet.;)

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Well a few more plants, a lot of crickets, and a humidifier later he is doing well. Any clue on how old this little guy would be?

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