Mike Fisher
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Is this considered a valid sub species? I have a female that highly resembles the photo in the article. http://chameleonnews.com/05DecKroo.html
fischeri sub.spec.nov. (“sub species nouveau”)
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Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
When that article was written, Kinyongia vosseleri was not a described subspecies. I'm not very good at identifying females, but I'd still love to see a picture of her
Chase
Chase
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Here is a good thread to check out. https://www.chameleonforums.com/fischers-chameleon-kinyongia-fischeri-22395/
"Frequently used, albeit erroneous names: "B. fischeri sub.spec.nov.", "Undescribed Fischer's Chameleon" "
Chase
Mike Fisher
Established Member
Thanks for referencing that for me. I had read that thread several times and missed it.
Mike Fisher
Established Member
When that article was written, Kinyongia vosseleri was not a described subspecies. I'm not very good at identifying females, but I'd still love to see a picture of her
Chase
I'll see if I can get a decent photo. I thought she might be K. tavetana but she lacks the central ridge on the casque. I got her with the K. uluguruensis, but she looks totally different, and has a much larger size.
She looks EXACTLY like this:
Chris Anderson
Dr. House of Chameleons
Hey Mike,
Yep, as Chase said, the "Bradypodion fischeri sub. spec. nov. is a reference to what is now known as Kinyongia vosseleri. While K. vosseleri was originally described in 1913 (described as Chamaeleon fischeri vosseleri), it was synonymized with fischeri in 1928 and had not been considered a valid taxon after that. In 2008, however, when Mariaux et al. reassessed the fischeri-group, they revalidated vosseleri and elevated it to its own species.
Chris
Yep, as Chase said, the "Bradypodion fischeri sub. spec. nov. is a reference to what is now known as Kinyongia vosseleri. While K. vosseleri was originally described in 1913 (described as Chamaeleon fischeri vosseleri), it was synonymized with fischeri in 1928 and had not been considered a valid taxon after that. In 2008, however, when Mariaux et al. reassessed the fischeri-group, they revalidated vosseleri and elevated it to its own species.
Chris
Mike Fisher
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CarlC believes it is tavetana, and I tend to agree but I keep second guessing because she looks totally different than the other tavetana I have. They all have a very pronounced crest running down the center of the casque.
I'm starting to believe that fischeri are extremely variable even within the same species.
I'm starting to believe that fischeri are extremely variable even within the same species.
Chase
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Mike Fisher
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Chase
Chameleon Enthusiast
You might be right! Her patterning looks like this at times:
I just suggested that, because as I am aware, K. tavetana do not possess the spikes after the casque. But I may be wrong.
Chase
Mike Fisher
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She does not have the spikes, so most likely she is K. tavetana. She does have a few variations of the ones I've seen though. I'll try to get some pics up. She's really shy.
Edit; I just took some really crappy pics not worthy of uploading, but she does indeed have the crest in the middle of the casque. Just small and barely defined compared to my other K. tavetana. The zoom lens really helps. I do believe that she is a bright green variant of K. tavetana.
Edit; I just took some really crappy pics not worthy of uploading, but she does indeed have the crest in the middle of the casque. Just small and barely defined compared to my other K. tavetana. The zoom lens really helps. I do believe that she is a bright green variant of K. tavetana.
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