Female Chamaeleo Trioceros deremensis Coloration

[snk]

Does gravid female Deremensis display different color such as light or dark brown? Have 2 females but both showing different colors.

 

[Lizardlover]

not sure but now its just triocerous deremensis not chameleo triocerous

 

[Eric Adrignola]

They do, but I think this is different. I've seen some females show a red or brownish base color, as opposed to the normal, standard green. At night, is she the same color? If so, that's what you got - one of the unusual red female deremensis.

 

[merumontanus]

not sure but now its just triocerous deremensis not chameleo triocerous

It's not "official" yet, but probably will be eventually, though it's actually Trioceros, not "ous", and it's also capitalized as it is a (sub)genus.

Fabián

 

[Lizardlover]

i know, i wasnt being formal, i was just simply stating it,

 

[merumontanus]

Does gravid female Deremensis display different color such as light or dark brown? Have 2 females but both showing different colors.

The gravid females I have seen did not show a particular gravid coloration, but were much more agressive toward conspecifics. Red deremensis are rare in captivity and only remember seeing one other-- it was Leah Kroo's if my memory serves me well.

Fabián

 

[merumontanus]

i know, i wasnt being formal, i was just simply stating it,

It was stated incorrectly

 

[ciafardo 4]

it was stated incorrectly

haha nice correction

 

[SliK JiM]

I thought the change was official now? http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2009/f/z02079p068f.pdf

 

[snk]

No, she stay in brownish color. I did had a female before was standard green color, however, after she mated, she turned to brown color and stay brown the whole time.

They do, but I think this is different. I've seen some females show a red or brownish base color, as opposed to the normal, standard green. At night, is she the same color? If so, that's what you got - one of the unusual red female deremensis.

 

[merumontanus]

I thought the change was official now? http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2009/f/z02079p068f.pdf

Hi James,

The key here is understanding the different between a scientific "proposal" and a peer-reviewed, internationally-accepted "theory". The paper you have kindly provided is, as its abstract shows, a proposal to elevate the current (as the paper itself maintains) status of Chamaeleo and Trioceros from subgenus to full genus. This does not mean that the paper is without merit or that it holds no significance. On the contrary, it is most likely to be accepted internationally, but for that to happen, it needs to be reviewed by other members of the scientific community. This includes the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature, from which the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN) is derived. Again, this does not mean that proposals not accepted by the ICZN are invalid, per se, as they may be awaiting further review, but the purpose of The Code is to maintain consistency internationally, otherwise anyone could manufacture their own taxon and call it a day.

Trioceros will attain full status sooner or later, but don't expect to see these changes in the immediate future at your nearest CITES or USFWS.

Cheers,

Fabián

 

[SliK JiM]

My bad! I didn't really read it, just flicked through. It was posted on another forum by a guy with considerably more experience than me saying that it had been changed! I'll read it better next time!