egg bound veiled? infertile

sugar00

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My 1.5-year-old female chameleon has been digging since Christmas Day. We took her to the vet yesterday; she had an X-ray and received a calcium shot. The vet said she otherwise looks healthy and advised daily “humidity showers” (steamy bathroom for a few minutes) and soaking her lower half briefly to help encourage egg laying, which I’ve been doing.

She seems healthy overall, is drinking in front of me, and doesn’t appear lethargic, but she has started closing her eyes occasionally, which she’s never done before. I’m thinking this is from stress due to increased handling or dirt from digging. Her enclosure setup, humidity, and temperatures are correct, though we slightly increased warmth by closing the AC vent in her bedroom and replacing her heat bulb.

I believe she’s eating, though it’s hard to track in a large enclosure and since she won’t eat when watched. I’ve seen only a few crickets left, so I assume she is eating. My main concern is how long she’s been digging without laying yet. She has laid twice before, around 30 eggs each time.

I also recently realized having my male chameleon in the same room may have stressed her, and I’ve since moved him to a different room. I feel terrible and worry that contributed to this issue.

I’m very worried about her and don’t know how long is too long to wait before seeking more medical help. I honestly do not think we can afford surgery but i do not want my baby to suffer; however i do not want it to come to that without knowing how critical her condition is right now. this may not be the most well spoken post but i am just so worried and wondering if anyone knows if she sounds okay and this can be helped or if this is sever. that is a picture of her from yesterday (dirt on her head)
 

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Hi. It looks like she has a lot of eggs in there. When she is digging, do you go near her at all? Is she able to see anyone? If so, that can cause her to stop digging. They need absolute privacy. Although she has laid successfully for you twice before, I don’t want to assume anything. Is she still digging? Is it her same lay bin that she’s used before? I don’t like that so much time has passed since she started digging. They have only a certain length of time that their hormones are guiding them to lay their eggs and after that, they become eggbound. Since your vet is telling you to take her into steamy showers and soak her, I have to lack confidence in their knowledge of chameleons. What is your general location? We have a list of vets with decent/good knowledge and experience with chameleons. I’ll attach the file, but there is also a forum member who has an almost magical ability to know of vets in different areas. Your girl probably will need at least a shot of pitocin to get things going. If she is truly eggbound and in need of surgical spaying/egg removal, there are options, like care credit to help out. Even with worst case scenario, please don’t let the sweet lady suffer. @kinyonga is super experienced about our ladies and she may have better or additional advice.
 
Hi. It looks like she has a lot of eggs in there. When she is digging, do you go near her at all? Is she able to see anyone? If so, that can cause her to stop digging. They need absolute privacy. Although she has laid successfully for you twice before, I don’t want to assume anything. Is she still digging? Is it her same lay bin that she’s used before? I don’t like that so much time has passed since she started digging. They have only a certain length of time that their hormones are guiding them to lay their eggs and after that, they become eggbound. Since your vet is telling you to take her into steamy showers and soak her, I have to lack confidence in their knowledge of chameleons. What is your general location? We have a list of vets with decent/good knowledge and experience with chameleons. I’ll attach the file, but there is also a forum member who has an almost magical ability to know of vets in different areas. Your girl probably will need at least a shot of pitocin to get things going. If she is truly eggbound and in need of surgical spaying/egg removal, there are options, like care credit to help out. Even with worst case scenario, please don’t let the sweet lady suffer. @kinyonga is super experienced about our ladies and she may have better or additional advice.
thank you so much, I have been checking up on her while she digs but it is just very quick in and out of her bedroom a few times a day. she is still digging and is now sitting with her back end in one of the tunnels, hopefully that is a good sign since i have not actually seen her try to lay yet. i thought the bin we had was possibly too shallow so i did give her a new one appropriate size. i also was not sure about my vets advice because on the paper he gave us with his notes it said her basking area should be 105 f and she should be getting more worms than crickets; both advice i am not taking based off my research and you can correct me if im wrong. he also kept telling us she needs to be eating mostly live roaches which we cannot get due to florida law. i am in south west florida near sarasota area and he did give me some good clinics that could perform further care if it is needed.
 
Please, please, do not let her even catch a glimpse of you when she’s digging!! You will make her abandon the hole and the digging and push her to egg binding if she’s not already there.

You said…”she is still digging and is now sitting with her back end in one of the tunnels” …hopefully she is getting ready to lay her eggs…leave her there and let the lights go off as normal…and do not let her see you!

More to follow.
 
You said the vet “advised daily “humidity showers” (steamy bathroom for a few minutes) and soaking her lower half briefly to help encourage egg laying, which I’ve been doing”…please do not do this…it won’t help with the egg laying.

You said…”She has laid twice before, around 30 eggs each time.”…30 is not bad…could be a bit lower…but manageable.
 
More…
You said…”I also recently realized having my male chameleon in the same room may have stressed her, and I’ve since moved him to a different room” ..having the mail in the same room may trigger her to be receptive and produce another clutch. It is thought (I have no studies that prove it), that even if they are in another room nearby, they will know the male is there and react. They do hoot and communicate through vibrations somewhat like elephants do.
Vibrations…
https://academic.oup.com/icb/article/63/2/484/7208014

You might like to see this thread…
https://www.chameleonforums.com/threads/hooting-and-vibrating…gular-pouch-diversity….191691/

You may want to put her on the “diet” we recommend for female veiled chameleons to prevent them from laying too many eggs, prevent egg binding and also keep them from developing follicular stasis…after she lays this time. @MissSkittles ..can you add the link for me please?

If she shows signs of decline, and hasn’t laid the eggs yet, you may want to take her to a good chameleon vet to have her spayed before she declines so far that the spaying cannot be done and she’ll die.
 
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Here is my blog on laying. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/veiled-chameleon-laying-101.2488/
I’m also in Florida…space coast. My favorite vet was in Orlando and just retired a couple of months ago. There is another vet, who I hear is awesome and has lots of experience with chameleons. He runs a mobile vet service though, in Orlando, which makes it difficult for those of us who don’t live there. However, he does go to a pet store about once a month in Lakeland and will be there next Tuesday. I’ll be making the 2 hour drive to take one of mine…a good chameleon vet is well worth the long drive. Here is his info. Also attaching the vet list that I forgot to attach previously. @jannb do you know of any other good vets in the Sarasota or Tampa area?
Btw, we can get legal roaches here. Not dubia, but discoid, which are similar and some sources say are better than dubia. I get mine from https://www.lindasgonebuggie.com/page/397479218 who has fantastic prices and healthy quality feeders…plus is just a nice lady.
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Here is my blog on laying. https://www.chameleonforums.com/blogs/veiled-chameleon-laying-101.2488/
I’m also in Florida…space coast. My favorite vet was in Orlando and just retired a couple of months ago. There is another vet, who I hear is awesome and has lots of experience with chameleons. He runs a mobile vet service though, in Orlando, which makes it difficult for those of us who don’t live there. However, he does go to a pet store about once a month in Lakeland and will be there next Tuesday. I’ll be making the 2 hour drive to take one of mine…a good chameleon vet is well worth the long drive. Here is his info. Also attaching the vet list that I forgot to attach previously. @jannb do you know of any other good vets in the Sarasota or Tampa area?
Btw, we can get legal roaches here. Not dubia, but discoid, which are similar and some sources say are better than dubia. I get mine from https://www.lindasgonebuggie.com/page/397479218 who has fantastic prices and healthy quality feeders…plus is just a nice lady.
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i will look into this! aswell as the roaches. truly thank you so much both of you for helping out.
 
I agree with what has already been said. I've recently went through something similar and made a post in The Chameleon Enthusiast ...
So, before Xmas one of my Calumma brevicorne became very active and roaming the bottom of her enclosure but no digging in her lay bin. On the 18th she dropped one egg and her active behavior continued, on the 28th she dropped one more egg. Thinking she was egg bound I lightly massaged her belly and made a vet visit for New Years Eve day. X-rays didn't really show that she was egg bound but she did get a shot of oxytocin to help induce labor (so to speak). She dropped one more egg on our way home and 13 more before lights out. Sadly these are infertile 🥺
 

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Yay! 🥳 Did she cover her hole completely?
Do please make sure to read my blog on how to reduce the number of eggs she lays and frequency. It works! My veiled girls stopped laying altogether. My old girl Stella last laid in early spring of 2022 and my panther cutie Kali has never laid.
 
Yay! 🥳 Did she cover her hole completely?
Do please make sure to read my blog on how to reduce the number of eggs she lays and frequency. It works! My veiled girls stopped laying altogether. My old girl Stella last laid in early spring of 2022 and my panther cutie Kali has never laid.
yep she covered the hole and is back at the top like normal! and i definitely will! thank you again for the help
 
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